PC111 - This One Goes to 111 with Jim Sill

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It's partial credit episode 111 and we're given thanks with a very special episode.

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Hit it!

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And what better way to celebrate Thanksgiving by bringing in our Australian friend, Jim
Sill.

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Welcome back to the show.

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thank you.

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Thanks for inviting me.

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This is amazing.

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And he's got to catch a plane soon.

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So we're moving fast through this episode of Partial Credit.

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But I think the last time Jim was on was actually for the 100th episode.

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He was the host of the PADI Awards.

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PADI Awards.

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And apparently the ratings were so low it took like a year and a half to get episode 101.

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yeah, yeah.

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I was like, they must be popular again.

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Let's tank this show.

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uh

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We were trying to get a higher draft pick is what we were going for, you know.

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I have a question for Jim.

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this why you reached out to me 10 minutes ago?

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uh Jim, who I introduced to everyone is either being from Australia or being from
Poughkeepsie, New York, depending on the uh circumstances.

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But Jim, how do you celebrate American Thanksgiving?

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Down under.

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I'm this is a really sensitive topic for me because somebody asked me recently, what's
your favorite holiday?

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I'm like, it's kind of Thanksgiving.

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Thanksgiving here is like Thursday.

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And then people go to work.

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They work that day.

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They work the next day.

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And then for some reason, things are on sale.

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No one knows why.

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It's just a random Friday where things are

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a random Friday that's Black Friday and there's all these sales, but no one's really
connected to why.

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and it's not like in Kent.

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it's Black Friday on Saturday.

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That's what that is, too.

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And it's just like, it's all confused.

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So is there like a, um like you know how in Canada they have Canadian Thanksgiving?

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I think it's in like October.

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Like is there a Thanksgiving holiday in Australia?

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I don't think so.

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I mean, I'll probably say that you'll have some listeners from Australia going, hey, I
might it's this day, right?

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And I'm like, no, I've messed it up.

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I don't I don't I don't think it's not that I don't think Australians are thankful.

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I just don't think there's a day to celebrate that.

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Right.

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I look, I I've been trying to actually organize a Thanksgiving here.

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And and I was like, OK, can we just do a Friday?

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Because Friday would be like Thursday and then all our social medias will line up with
like Thanksgiving.

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And then

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being honest.

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is off, our Saturday is off.

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Right?

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it's, but I can't get anybody to eat a lot of food on Friday.

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Like it's, it's

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considered Festivus?

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Yes, I am.

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That's a month through now.

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a lot of problems with you people and he's gonna let you know all of it.

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I know, I think that fits Jim so well.

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So much better than Thanksgiving.

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I'll tell you, I do push the Thanksgiving mythology around here a lot.

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Like I do often talk about it in my own household and my kids, you know, they're, they're
young and they, and they're, you know, they're, they're kind of half American that they

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just have to kind of listen to me, you know, drone on about something American once in a
while.

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And then to this morning, my, daughter brings over, I don't know where she found it.

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She has a book of like,

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What they called?

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Charcuterie boards, right?

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Yeah.

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And the small ones are baby shark cootery, cootery, cootery.

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Nobody can spell it.

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sure.

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And uh it's, I don't know where she gets it.

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She's like, Hey, dad, I'm gonna make this one of these boards for Thanksgiving.

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And I'm sort of in this moment of like, like, I'm really kind of mad about not having a
Thanksgiving.

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And I was like, I'm like, babe, we're not we're not having Thanksgiving.

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And her face was like, yeah, my face, her face was like, what?

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And uh so I realized how I said it, maybe how it so I was like,

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we can do it on a different day.

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We can have a charcuterie board on a different day.

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Yeah.

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like the meal?

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what if you were gonna do a Thanksgiving meal?

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Like what foods, I mean imagine you can get turkey, right?

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I imagine.

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you can't.

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You have to find a place that has a turkey and they're usually very small, like the size
of a chicken and all of it.

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uh It's like, ever just imagine like your disappointment, this is Thanksgiving here.

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it's a, you actually, you can't really find turkey.

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There are turkeys out there.

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You can find them.

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It's not like they're frozen or anything like that.

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kangaroo?

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Like could you do that for a...

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you could definitely probably go out here and just find one.

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But it's um you I think I got like a I think I got like a turkey breast last year or a
couple years ago.

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And yeah, anyways, it's uh it's it's all sad.

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It's all it's it's, you know, you just sort of like I just make nachos.

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I...

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do like cranberry sauce.

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You couldn't even do cranberry sauce, no pie.

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Well, no one.

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have to have pie.

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We have to have pie.

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wait, wait, wait, last year for Thanksgiving, I was on the island of Cebu and I was doing
work.

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Uh, I was doing work with Russian.

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No, no.

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And it was the nicest gesture, but at the same time, like, I don't love Thanksgiving.

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It's like not my favorite holiday.

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I don't like it.

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Don't really know to me.

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Well, I mean, maybe, but see, since I've been divorced, it's like, my, kids are always,
I'm always second on the, on the, on the

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pecking order of holidays.

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like, screw Thanksgiving.

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I've been like since we are working.

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and Donnie has Thanksgiving ranked second because there's a five-way tie for first.

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So actually

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last year, but the people that were there, Gertrude is half, she grew up in the
Philippines, but she spent half her life in the States.

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So they thought they were being really, really nice.

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And they put together this like amazing Thanksgiving meal, was like, but it was they had
lechon.

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And that's the whole pig.

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Yeah, they had two, two massive.

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That's like a very good alternative to the turkey.

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Yeah.

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I had learned that like, the delicacy of the lechon is like the crispy skin.

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So this is like the pigs, you know, like full on buried underground and cold, like the
whole pig, the whole pig.

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So it was very, it was, and then, and then in true Filipino, you know, um tradition, like
karaoke broke out and, and there, and then people started dancing and we had to do a line

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dance, which we got drug into.

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So ah this year I'm going to have a very quiet un-Thanksgiving.

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remember learning in school that the Pilgrims and the Indians did karaoke after the first
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So if I'm remembering...

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they ate the lechon.

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brought that box that has the microphone.

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They're like,

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Charlie Brown special, I think.

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Yes, yes, so.

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I would do Thanksgiving if that was the case.

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Like I'm just I had that I actually I thought you were saying like chicken in a French
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I didn't know what a LeSean was.

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I'm looking at it.

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Yeah.

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Like, like, um, apple in the mouth kind of like full on and the meat I it well, and I'm
the guy, but we have to realize and it's not no fault of anyone.

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I'm the guy that doesn't like meat on the bone.

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Like I just like, want my chicken breast.

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So I don't like the only thing I can eat like ribs, baby back ribs, because it's there and
it's like a handle.

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Other than that, though, I am not a fan.

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meat on the bone.

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like having to deal with the entire pig was not my favorite.

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But this is the part about Thanksgiving that I actually adore, right?

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It's like a group of family, or in some cases, many cases, friends coming over.

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And you're all just sort of like, manj manj.

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And then you're just sort of like a little bit tipsy at the end of it.

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then you watch a game, right?

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You can sit there and put on a game.

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uh none of that exists here.

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It's not footy season.

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be fair though, on Friday, on Friday you could watch the game on Thursday.

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Yeah, if it's like the later in the afternoon games.

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This actually brings up an interesting point that I don't think we've ever discussed on
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you know, right after Halloween ended, within a day, there was already Mariah Carey, there
was like Christmas, like when is the right time?

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And Donnie, this is actually timely because I think you said you were decorating your tree
earlier today or a tree earlier today.

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like, because we're leaving for Thanksgiving on Wednesday morning.

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We're going down to Alabama to be with family.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But driving.

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for the Christmas decorations and the Christmas music?

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So Halloween happens, when is it appropriate to switch to Christmas?

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Is it after Thanksgiving?

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Is it right after Halloween?

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What is the right answer here for this?

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have two takes on this.

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One, the day after Halloween, get your Halloween crap down.

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Get your skeletons out of the yard.

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Yeah, it's just weird.

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Like if it's November 3rd and you still got skeletons on your porch, it's weird.

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So I'm gonna tell you that we still have our carved, the carved pumpkins are still in the
driveway.

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Like we just haven't like gotten to those yet.

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But like the decorations are down.

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okay, pumpkins though, like at least that's fall themed, right?

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But the people who like leave, eh, it's all right, faces are universal.

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But like, you know, the people who like they leave like the graveyards up a little, you
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of person that actually puts up the graveyard too.

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So let's be, I mean, I think.

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a month.

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You got a month.

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like once Halloween is over, those have to go away immediately.

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Whether or not you're gonna switch to Christmas right away.

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a graveyard, Donnie?

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No, we had Halloween decorations.

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took them all down the next morning by 8 a.m.

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because I'm like, I don't want our neighbors driving by and thinking we're weird because
we got a giant spider web in our bushes.

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1st, as soon as November 1st hits, the morning after Halloween every year, I tell my kids,
happy Home Alone season, because now it is appropriate to watch Home Alone one and two.

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We are now in that range.

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We could do that.

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But decorating feels different.

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I heard that the Philippines, Jeff, maybe you can attest to this, that as soon as it gets
to the Burr months, it's Christmas.

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It's a Christmas one.

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It has a B-E-R at the end.

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Yeah, if it has a B-E-R at the end of the month, it's Christmas.

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Yeah, that's my first.

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October and we would go out there playing Christmas music.

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There weren't full decorations yet, but it is definitely everyone karaoke's come on.

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It's the Philippines.

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My goal in life is to be as good as the absolute worst karaoke singer in the Philippines.

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And I'm off by like, no, I'm not even anywhere close.

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yeah.

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I've heard him do later picture shows, so.

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I'd like to, I'd like to just go back briefly to, can I just talk quickly about like this,
like Halloween down here?

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There's no real, like it's a very American holiday and they don't do it.

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And there's only one street that does it here and everybody hits it.

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like, and like people run out of candy.

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It's just, but, the, but the weirdest thing is because it's not, it's not fall.

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It's spring that, that it's, it's light out until like eight, eight o'clock.

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So you remember in, you know, thanks.

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Like I love about Halloween.

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It's like you get out there and then it's just like, gets creepier and creepier as the
night goes on.

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at six.

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Yeah.

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Going to the beach.

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Yeah.

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it's hot, people are swimming.

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It's like everybody comes over in shorts and you're just like, what's...

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Oh no, do not.

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It's gonna be...

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And it's like, you sit, I literally sit around, I'm like, I love how you people think it's
Christmas.

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I love it.

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It's like, what a joke.

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It's like...

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paint snow on stuff?

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You know, like the fake window snow?

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was the exact same thing.

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so I'll argue that Arizona still gets dark at five o'clock or six o'clock, whatever they
do with their mountain time there.

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it's but.

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deny the existence of the sun.

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Oh, it's still here at 9, 930 at night, still bright out.

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Everybody's just like, hey, good night.

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Everybody's having like their, their, their tinnies.

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so far south that yeah, I'm sure you have very, the day links are crazy.

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It's just, this is a depressing episode for me.

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I don't really know if I want to talk.

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Hahaha

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will say one thing I just realized when you were just talking to Jeff about trip planning
is I love how what is old is now new again.

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So I believe when we started the partial credit podcast years ago, the end joke was Jeff,
we would have to end every sentence with and he went to Australia to present recently,

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like whatever.

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And now we're get to do it again.

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all over again.

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I'm excited.

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Jeffrey Heil coming down to Melbourne, Australia.

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Yeah, it'll be a

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So excited.

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I signed up for deploy learning series on, on AI.

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It's been fun.

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Like every, and it's Wednesday night at like 9 PM for me and like Thursday at like uh noon
for them or something.

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four.

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Okay.

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teachers have just left like they're still at school most of them or they're just about to
leave school and then.

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running bet going if, yeah, but I was gonna say we'll have a running bet as to whether or
Jeff passes out, falls asleep like halfway through his talk.

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Oh dude, no, I'm flying at night.

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So it's, I'll sleep.

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I'll sleep on the plane.

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Yeah, no, I'll be fine.

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Sweet Jim, what's the series that you're doing?

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We're just doing a number of different free tutorials, our webinar series down here.

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We just partnered with Google to be able to offer just a bunch of different, mostly around
Gemini.

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And we just know that teachers are just like time poor everywhere, especially here.

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So we just do this free thing every week for four weeks.

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and we record it so people can watch it whenever they want.

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And it's been fun to see Jeff's picture pop up in there.

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if it's funny because because of that, I was I had a meeting for all I asked teachers on
Friday and I had already been slotted out.

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They always just like whenever they ask them what they want, they're like, we want you to
talk about AI.

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And so we are a Google district and what they don't even know, they have Gemini and
notebook L.M.

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And if you have not opened Google Classroom recently and see all that's embedded in there,
now you can embed a gem inside of Classroom to have it be like a chat box for uh the

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students.

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You can also embed a notebook LM to have it be like, I know, to have it be the uh study
guide for the kids.

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It's insanely cool.

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And all the other things.

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And you guys know about, uh what is it?

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Banana?

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Canvas, no, Nano Banana, now we're running off Gemini version 3.

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also, they have the whole thing on Google Canvas.

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Yeah, Google Canvas has, uh it's a coding piece, among other things.

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There's so much going on at Gemini now that we don't know about.

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But funny, Jim, after having this conversation, I kind of wanted to talk about this
anyway, but um after I was looking online and Sam Altman came out and said, like,

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they are putting a dent in our business.

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Like the advancements that Gemini has made in AI.

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And every educator that is at Google School, you have access to Gemini and you have access
to Notebook LM and all the things that it's built into.

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I get excited about it.

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It's just very cool.

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oh

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are like, I don't want to use Gemini, I want to use chat GPT, but they don't realize that
no, y'all, it is not like it was five or three or four years ago when it was barred.

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And the gems, the gems are insane.

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I've been creating custom gems for teachers to use to create lesson plans along and
appease my director aligned with their strategic vision, blah, blah, blah.

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I've got all the resources.

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who may not be as familiar and have not watched the introductory series, just because
we're talking about it, um I'll ask two questions on behalf of the listeners.

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First, what is a gem?

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And second, how do you differentiate Gemini versus Notebook LM?

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And I'm just pointing out that it's a gem with a soft G.

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Again.

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Yeah, not Gemini.

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Yeah.

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if we're going to draw, if we're going to compare it.

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I want to thank Donnie for making that differentiation.

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And I will tell you, did not until I took this little series, thanks to mr.

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Carew there.

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Uh, I learned what the LM was in notebook LM, but think about, I'm serious.

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I'm not kidding.

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Think about, um yeah, it is.

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I didn't know that.

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I mean, you could guess it, but I mean, it wasn't like stated anywhere, but they have a
whole LM product line now.

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So I know I'm getting excited about it, but I am excited about it.

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So think about Gemini as, Google's version of chat.

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chat bot.

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yeah, it is their chatbot.

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But it has Nano Banana powered in it right now, which has been a recent addition, and they
just released a new version that is 100 times better than the built-in image generator

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that it used to have, the Imagen or whatever it was, and 150 times better than anything
I've gotten out of ChatGPT.

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In ChatGPT, yeah, go ahead.

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banana is when you upload an image, you can upload an image and ask it to add things to
it, which is just wildly fun, some of the things that you can do.

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Yeah.

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of Donnie, a picture of a horse, and then a picture of a Thanksgiving parade.

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And then we can have like a horse with Donnie's face in the Thanksgiving parade as a hot
uh air balloon.

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uh So Gemini, I'll finish this up here.

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So Gemini is the chat bot, the large language model that Gemini uses.

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the Gem, I don't know if they...

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did this on purpose cleverly though, but it's like a custom GPT from chat GPT, but it's,
they're called gems, but they also have like, can play chess with, with the gems there.

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There's, there's prebuilt gems and then you can make your own like a custom GPT, which
I've been doing.

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So I, I joked that it's like a mini version of Gemini hence gem, but it's also like this
hidden gem as in, you know, stone.

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it's got, I don't know Jim, if that's really where they were going.

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And it's, I would learn this from Jim.

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which is a completely different spelling.

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uh But you can give the GEM instructions and add resources, and then it can be, if you're
a school district, first of all, anything you're using in Gemini is not, uh they are not

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using it to train the data.

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They're not training on your data.

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Yeah, the school models.

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Yeah, which by the way, ChatGPT for Educators just came out too.

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And I guarantee you that's in direct competition with Google, because they're like, we're
gonna lose people because of this.

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So the gem is basically a custom GPT or like a custom.

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So I created one for human centered AI lesson planning and I have it stop my teachers and
ask them a series of questions.

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They'll say like, I want a unit on US history and then it'll say, wait, tell me about your
kids.

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What grade level are they at?

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Are there any English learners?

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Does anyone have an IEP?

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Like it literally forces them step by step and then it goes through this decision making
model, blah, blah.

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But those can be shared and they can be.

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shared throughout your organization and the schools, it doesn't go beyond that.

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So all the data and stuff stays in school, which is a big deal.

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So that's kind of a cool thing.

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And then the notebook LM, think about that as like literally like the notebook that you
would put together to study.

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So you would put all your resources in notebook LM and then you have a chat bot in the
center that is kind of a superpower chat bot and it will go out and the beauty of notebook

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LM is you can put YouTube links in it.

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You can put, um you can put

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Anything in it and it will also go and find resources for you and then in the studio You
can and this is this works in both directions.

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So teachers can create Scaffolds for their students and in terms of podcasts in terms of
explainer videos in terms their mind mapping is insane If you haven't like dove deep into

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the mind mapping quizzes flashcards, you know all of these things and you can do the
interactive Podcasts where you can ask it questions along the way

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well the internet that's.

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an LM with the kids, they can use it, but they cannot change it.

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my thought in customizing this for my independent study kids is give the resource.

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Here's the gem.

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Here's the notebook LM.

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And I do it in three-week chunks, because with independent study, you've got to finish
your class a month.

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And then I want by week four for them to create their own notebook LM so they can learn
how to then make that.

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be a study guide for you.

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the teacher can use it to give to kids, but I would rather empower the kids to create
their own notebook so then that they could add the study guides they needed.

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Because maybe I would rather watch the video than listen to the podcast or whatever it
would be.

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Anyway, there you go, in a nutshell.

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gem where it's the passive aggressive email responder where you copy and paste an email
into it and it gives you a passive aggressive response that you could use.

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They're fun.

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that's good.

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This is, the way, why Jeff is being invited down here to our Google Summit in December.

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There's a lot with it, right?

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I love talking about it, and I love that we have this opportunity to kind of put together
these events so folks can learn from whatever we're finding out.

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But I just saw something yesterday where you can, like, this person had

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done something with Shakespeare and I, know, Shakespeare is notorious for being hard to
understand and like you have no idea, but you want to sound smart because you want to kind

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of know.

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And so I just went out and I found like all these versions of Hamlet and even a video of
like this famous like Hamlet play or something.

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And I stuck it into notebook and you can just ask all sorts of questions.

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Like what are the top five best quotes from Hamlet that make me sound smart?

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You know, and it's, it's great.

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It's totally great to kind of.

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I love it.

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There's all sorts of big thinkers down here.

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there's this one guy that talks about feedback.

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feedback is such a complicated idea for me.

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And so when you're getting feedback, when do you ask for feedback at events and things?

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And I went out and I found a whole bunch of YouTube videos and a whole bunch of people
talking about this guy.

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then

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And I dumped it into Notebook LM and I'm like, help me understand feedback.

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Help me understand like what are the things I should know about, know, should I use a
scale of one to 10 or one to four or one to five?

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What should I be doing?

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And it's great, especially when you don't want to make time for all those books to...

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well, and.

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shift to start thinking about any question or problem you have, filtering it through how
can I potentially leverage AI as a thought partner in helping to figure out how to solve

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that problem.

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even common things that I was just like, oh, I gotta go look this up.

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I'm like, wait, why am I looking it up?

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Let me just ask.

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And then I could get the kind of info, or at least like.

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What direction should I be going and now what should I do first?

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And that's, I find myself doing that a lot.

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It's like with a big thing I have to do is like, you know what, help me chunk this out
into like pieces that I need to know in order to do the thing I need to do.

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And that has been like such a game changer for me in terms of helping my productivity and
organization.

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So Donnie, you had a game for us this week.

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What do got?

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So we are going to blindly rank a bunch of EdTech apps.

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So I've got a list here of 15 apps and the order is gonna go Jesse, Jeff, and then Jim,
and then Jesse, Jeff, and Jim.

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And so each of you have five slots.

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So I'll keep track of it here on this piece of paper, but if you have a piece of paper
there, you might need it to help keep track of what you got.

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But basically how this works is I've got a list and I'm going to, we're gonna start with
Jesse.

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And so you have to blindly rank these.

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if you, in other words, like if you think like, this is clearly going to be the best one,
you would drop it in your one spot.

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But later.

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wait, wait, wait.

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So we each have a group of five?

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We're not sharing?

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best?

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based on what you think is, yeah, and that is up to you.

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Favorite, let's just go with real favorite, right?

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so I have to state the obvious caveat for me.

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I'm not gonna say what I...

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Just tell me that you can't have Adobe in mind, because otherwise I'm gonna leave the one
spot open for...

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I'm not telling you, but it is randomized.

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It is randomized.

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It is randomized so I'm too tired to do the math right now.

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But anyway, you've got to, so we're gonna start with Jesse.

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This is based on my favorite of the ones you're giving me.

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Let's, more than a feeling, but let's do most useful to schools.

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Let's do that.

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Most useful schools are a qualifier.

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So you get five slots and you gotta pick where they go.

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So, all right, Jesse, starting with you.

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You ready?

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Jesse, your app is Google Keep.

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Google Keep.

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Where you gonna put it?

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You got one through five.

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You gotta rationalize it.

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still use that every day.

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Um, I'm gonna put it at a four

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Alright, why are you putting it at four?

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You got a rationale?

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Well, the hard part about these lists is you don't know what's coming.

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I have to keep my one spot open since you're not gonna tell me if Adobe's there.

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And keep is like something that it's useful, but for instructional, it's like limited in
its capacity to actually help shift teaching and learning outcomes.

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It's like a useful sidekick tool, but not necessarily something that I would like
incorporate into instruction.

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want to be organized and aren't.

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Like I so want to use Google Keep, but I don't.

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that I'm thinking for.

451
00:26:31,802 --> 00:26:36,825
If we're going ed tech tools, I'm looking for something that's actually going to improve
teaching and learning outcomes.

452
00:26:36,926 --> 00:26:41,410
And so, but I also don't think it deserves the five spot because it could be worse.

453
00:26:41,790 --> 00:26:42,978
We don't know what's coming.

454
00:26:42,978 --> 00:26:45,105
Jeff, Jeff, your app, Pear Deck.

455
00:26:45,105 --> 00:26:46,269
Where you gonna put Pear Deck?

456
00:26:46,269 --> 00:26:47,061
All right.

457
00:26:47,061 --> 00:26:51,627
Just jump at bottom of the barrel right away.

458
00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:55,503
sponsor of the partial credit podcast, chucking it in at the 5 spot.

459
00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:57,634
Here's why it's at five.

460
00:26:57,634 --> 00:27:02,509
When we talk about useful for students is that they gave it away at the beginning of
COVID.

461
00:27:02,509 --> 00:27:05,843
Their pricing was very minimal before COVID.

462
00:27:05,843 --> 00:27:12,108
COVID happened, everybody depended on a Pear Deck, they jacked the prices and they priced
themselves out of schools.

463
00:27:12,810 --> 00:27:15,072
as something, it's true.

464
00:27:15,072 --> 00:27:18,835
So something that would be effective, it's a great tool.

465
00:27:19,045 --> 00:27:20,598
We even did videos for them.

466
00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:25,782
So you asked me if you said the value, you know, how good is it of a tool?

467
00:27:25,782 --> 00:27:29,361
That would be a different ranking, but value in schools, it's not worth the money.

468
00:27:29,361 --> 00:27:32,836
All right, Jim, coincidence, Google Earth, you putting it?

469
00:27:32,836 --> 00:27:34,908
OHHHH

470
00:27:36,041 --> 00:27:37,654
He's getting thrown right out there.

471
00:27:37,654 --> 00:27:38,846
John Bailey has his ears.

472
00:27:38,846 --> 00:27:40,518
He's like, what's your name gonna say?

473
00:27:41,727 --> 00:27:44,889
John Bailey's like, John Bailey turned down the Taylor Swift.

474
00:27:44,889 --> 00:27:47,544
Just long enough to hear your response.

475
00:27:47,544 --> 00:27:51,286
You know, the thing is I don't use Google Earth as much as I used to.

476
00:27:51,286 --> 00:27:53,967
I use Google Maps religiously.

477
00:27:53,967 --> 00:28:01,352
I have maps that you would, and if you go anywhere in the world, just let me know I have a
map for you.

478
00:28:02,073 --> 00:28:02,425
Yeah.

479
00:28:02,425 --> 00:28:07,505
old Hollywood map, is absolutely incredible.

480
00:28:08,565 --> 00:28:11,105
He has some amazing old Hollywood stuff.

481
00:28:11,405 --> 00:28:12,485
yes, okay.

482
00:28:12,729 --> 00:28:17,489
So if you're talking about apps, you're probably almost all the way up to number one.

483
00:28:17,489 --> 00:28:20,689
I, like Jesse, want to leave my number one open for a minute.

484
00:28:21,069 --> 00:28:24,029
But are we allowed to move these items?

485
00:28:24,429 --> 00:28:24,947
Oh.

486
00:28:24,947 --> 00:28:25,477
locked in.

487
00:28:25,477 --> 00:28:26,977
you lock it in.

488
00:28:27,302 --> 00:28:28,544
I agree with you though.

489
00:28:28,544 --> 00:28:30,946
Earth can't be, earth can't be top three.

490
00:28:30,946 --> 00:28:33,413
the Earth is going on my number four.

491
00:28:33,468 --> 00:28:38,951
Yeah, we know it's not the worst, but but and I do love the projects.

492
00:28:39,101 --> 00:28:41,101
Alright, Jesse, oh!

493
00:28:41,101 --> 00:28:44,249
I hope nothing else gets worse because all my bottoms are done.

494
00:28:44,249 --> 00:28:45,019
I love Earth.

495
00:28:45,019 --> 00:28:45,660
Okay.

496
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:50,068
Jesse This is randomized Jesse, but next is Google Maps.

497
00:28:50,068 --> 00:28:51,409
So where you putting it?

498
00:28:51,418 --> 00:28:51,951
Oh.

499
00:28:51,951 --> 00:28:56,100
Never usefulness for schools, usefulness for schools, not like personal preference.

500
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,943
See, I wish I had Earth, but I feel the opposite of Jim.

501
00:29:00,424 --> 00:29:07,349
mainly because you get export, like I could bring the map into Earth and do a lot of other
stuff with Earth too.

502
00:29:07,349 --> 00:29:12,246
So I feel like I still, I'm gonna put it at a three.

503
00:29:12,844 --> 00:29:13,811
All right.

504
00:29:13,811 --> 00:29:17,304
Well, here's what I would say is that Google Earth.

505
00:29:17,304 --> 00:29:19,012
want to say I would have put Earth at a three, two.

506
00:29:19,012 --> 00:29:21,743
So I'm basically giving it the Earth spot that I would have given.

507
00:29:21,743 --> 00:29:32,369
Google Earth moved us to number five as educators because there was like all this value in
Earth and they tried to make it relevant for education and they didn't so they everything

508
00:29:32,369 --> 00:29:36,703
left Expeditions and all and you know all the stuff.

509
00:29:36,703 --> 00:29:37,675
Yeah

510
00:29:37,675 --> 00:29:39,563
rest in peace, expeditions.

511
00:29:39,563 --> 00:29:42,029
Literally, what a time to be alive.

512
00:29:42,729 --> 00:29:46,609
my school spent on the iPads, iPods, and chicken.

513
00:29:46,723 --> 00:29:56,886
Donnie Pearsley and Jeffrey Hall, co-authors of the Google cardboard book, which went with
the seminal book on VR, which rest in peace along with expeditions.

514
00:29:56,886 --> 00:30:00,141
the seminal book on Google Cardboard.

515
00:30:00,290 --> 00:30:04,442
Alright, uh, was fun.

516
00:30:04,442 --> 00:30:10,795
of I don't care about expeditions, I actually thought that was a fool's bet if you ask me,
but I definitely think that...

517
00:30:10,795 --> 00:30:19,832
as a proof of concept, Jim, as a proof of concept for what that type of technology could
do, granted it required hardware, it required all these things, and that's actually gonna

518
00:30:19,832 --> 00:30:28,288
be a challenge for VR moving forward anyway, but like, as a learning experience, I know
you were in rooms, all of us were in rooms with kids seeing that stuff for the first time

519
00:30:28,288 --> 00:30:30,998
and just being like, what is happening right now?

520
00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:35,570
The AR piece was cool when you could make like the tornado appear in the middle of your
classroom.

521
00:30:35,698 --> 00:30:37,548
All right, Jeff, what do you got?

522
00:30:37,548 --> 00:30:38,882
Jeff, you're Google Docs.

523
00:30:38,882 --> 00:30:45,042
I mean, I use that more than anything else, so I don't know.

524
00:30:45,042 --> 00:30:46,150
This could be your one.

525
00:30:46,150 --> 00:30:47,353
I'm just saying.

526
00:30:47,963 --> 00:30:51,351
I'm gonna put it at two, hoping you give me Adobe Express.

527
00:30:51,351 --> 00:30:52,494
ah

528
00:30:52,494 --> 00:30:57,554
Jeff, I like the two one, but I also wouldn't have killed you for putting it in one also.

529
00:30:57,554 --> 00:31:01,414
I just feel like it is so ubiquitous and.

530
00:31:01,549 --> 00:31:06,332
Because if it's Gemini, my AI use now is going through the roof.

531
00:31:07,234 --> 00:31:07,934
Exactly.

532
00:31:07,934 --> 00:31:09,646
um it's a solid two.

533
00:31:09,646 --> 00:31:10,438
I still love it.

534
00:31:10,438 --> 00:31:19,741
And for those that are using AI and copying answers from ChatGPT or from Cloud non-Google
tools, what

535
00:31:19,741 --> 00:31:29,796
The little trick is when you did ask it to make tables for you, when you would paste it
into a doc, would be all caddy wampus because it gives you, it gives you, it gives, it

536
00:31:29,796 --> 00:31:32,078
gives output in markup language.

537
00:31:32,078 --> 00:31:39,802
It gives output in markup language and Google accepts markup language, but it's, you have
to go into tools and make sure it's, it's checked on.

538
00:31:39,802 --> 00:31:41,063
And a lot of people don't.

539
00:31:41,063 --> 00:31:46,354
So if you go to tools, preferences, you'll see that markup language is not checked.

540
00:31:46,354 --> 00:31:48,675
So you check it and then you go.

541
00:31:48,675 --> 00:31:55,508
When you copy from, I use Claude a lot, you copy from Claude, you go to edit and then you
say paste from Markdown.

542
00:31:55,508 --> 00:31:58,674
And then the format retains exactly how you saw it.

543
00:31:58,674 --> 00:32:05,490
I don't know if our listeners can hear in the background, but the Australian police have
been called on Jeff for the use of a large vocabulary word of the podcast.

544
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:07,243
think, a fire truck.

545
00:32:07,243 --> 00:32:09,102
But yeah, I do live downtown.

546
00:32:09,102 --> 00:32:10,617
I can't control that.

547
00:32:10,617 --> 00:32:13,216
I just put cattywampus at my number one.

548
00:32:13,648 --> 00:32:15,271
I got it!

549
00:32:15,291 --> 00:32:17,906
But by the way, Jim, she's no longer dancing.

550
00:32:17,906 --> 00:32:22,548
He's like writing down, he's like, great names for an EdTech product, cattywampus.

551
00:32:22,718 --> 00:32:25,564
All right, Jim, Jim, up next, got Google Forms.

552
00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:26,635
These are just randomized.

553
00:32:26,635 --> 00:32:29,501
They are not all Google products, but this is a.

554
00:32:29,654 --> 00:32:32,730
They're not all Google products, but five of the six.

555
00:32:33,757 --> 00:32:37,742
maybe I'm not going to say, so I filled up my number five so I can push people out of
five.

556
00:32:37,742 --> 00:32:39,517
you only filled up your number four.

557
00:32:39,517 --> 00:32:40,503
You put Earth at four.

558
00:32:40,503 --> 00:32:41,081
your four.

559
00:32:41,081 --> 00:32:42,114
what am I doing?

560
00:32:42,114 --> 00:32:42,833
you're only okay.

561
00:32:42,833 --> 00:32:43,363
don't think.

562
00:32:43,363 --> 00:32:46,110
can put forms at either one, two, three or five.

563
00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:47,341
one, two, three, and five.

564
00:32:47,341 --> 00:32:49,941
Ah, okay, I understand this game now.

565
00:32:50,941 --> 00:32:53,681
uh, Earth is...

566
00:32:53,681 --> 00:32:55,181
Yeah, whoop!

567
00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:56,001
I'm still confused.

568
00:32:56,001 --> 00:32:57,981
I was like, Pear Deck, why is it even on it?

569
00:32:57,981 --> 00:33:00,021
Uh, but, sorry, Pear Deck.

570
00:33:00,201 --> 00:33:04,647
Um, I think, uh, like, the key, sorry, Forms is number two for sure.

571
00:33:04,647 --> 00:33:05,795
I like that's a good one.

572
00:33:05,795 --> 00:33:06,700
That's a good slot.

573
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:07,957
uh

574
00:33:07,957 --> 00:33:12,559
All right, Jesse, ooh, Nearpod, Nearpod, where you putting Nearpod?

575
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,360
You gonna trash him like Jeff did or you know?

576
00:33:15,576 --> 00:33:17,803
They didn't change their pricing structure.

577
00:33:18,388 --> 00:33:20,597
And if you're in Apple School, it has more value.

578
00:33:20,597 --> 00:33:24,813
Like I want to provide commentary, but I also feel like I should not.

579
00:33:26,001 --> 00:33:28,616
I've got three things that I want to put at number four.

580
00:33:29,174 --> 00:33:29,662
Mm-hmm.

581
00:33:29,662 --> 00:33:32,710
But Donnie, awesome choice of games.

582
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:34,134
I think we should do more like this.

583
00:33:34,134 --> 00:33:35,376
This amazing.

584
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,523
I don't know what he's going to do.

585
00:33:37,523 --> 00:33:38,728
He's going put it at six.

586
00:33:38,728 --> 00:33:43,047
man, this is a really tough one, because it's only two or five for me here, so I.

587
00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:44,771
You don't know the other apps.

588
00:33:44,771 --> 00:33:46,905
mean, there could be Microsoft Edge on here.

589
00:33:46,905 --> 00:33:49,260
They could be your one spot when you're done.

590
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:50,955
Mind sweeper might be on here.

591
00:33:50,955 --> 00:33:52,633
put Nearpod at two.

592
00:33:53,024 --> 00:33:53,915
What?

593
00:33:54,917 --> 00:33:56,523
Have you used it?

594
00:33:56,523 --> 00:33:56,945
have.

595
00:33:56,945 --> 00:34:02,216
actually, before joining Adobe, actually did trading on Nearpod.

596
00:34:02,216 --> 00:34:03,195
So it...

597
00:34:03,195 --> 00:34:07,011
like a legacy thing, like you felt like it was a trendsetter, so like.

598
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:11,484
I'm gonna just leave it at two and not add any additional commentary for now.

599
00:34:11,484 --> 00:34:19,681
Donnie has paid to me to a quarter, which I don't feel comfortable with where I only have
one or five left and he could basically cause me a lot of pain right now.

600
00:34:19,681 --> 00:34:21,352
So I'm just gonna move on.

601
00:34:24,274 --> 00:34:24,887
All right.

602
00:34:24,887 --> 00:34:27,190
you the version history that this is randomized.

603
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,042
All right, who's that?

604
00:34:29,042 --> 00:34:30,996
wait, wait, wait, wait.

605
00:34:30,996 --> 00:34:33,401
Ah, man.

606
00:34:33,401 --> 00:34:34,198
it's two.

607
00:34:34,198 --> 00:34:35,612
locked in at two.

608
00:34:36,006 --> 00:34:37,995
All right, Jeff, Google Drive.

609
00:34:37,995 --> 00:34:42,646
I should have made it where Jesse gets all the hard ones, but Jeff, where putting drive?

610
00:34:42,646 --> 00:34:45,838
I'm holding space and I'm going to put drive at three.

611
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,801
But again, you've picked the tools.

612
00:34:49,042 --> 00:34:53,845
See, and that's the other thing when you talk about functionality, like I couldn't live in
the school.

613
00:34:54,827 --> 00:34:55,915
But it's not going to be.

614
00:34:55,915 --> 00:34:57,665
say Drive would not be one and I'll tell you why.

615
00:34:57,665 --> 00:35:05,108
I actually really like Jeff sliding it a three because again, it's an organizational tool,
it is not an instructional tool.

616
00:35:05,108 --> 00:35:07,188
you're not actually improved.

617
00:35:07,949 --> 00:35:09,989
Well, no, now you're changing the criteria.

618
00:35:09,989 --> 00:35:17,751
You didn't tell us we were evaluating it based on value, you told us we were basing it
based on like impact in the classroom or whatever.

619
00:35:18,972 --> 00:35:23,553
But it's not about running off of Drive, it's about, I told you.

620
00:35:23,553 --> 00:35:28,455
I'm evaluating this based on, do I think it can have an impact on teaching and learning
outcomes in the classroom?

621
00:35:28,495 --> 00:35:37,815
Drive directly doesn't, even though I think we all, like, Google, like super deep Google
users, like.

622
00:35:37,815 --> 00:35:48,669
both its ability to store, but also like putting any video in Google drive, you can then
use it as a video, host it, basically drive hosts the videos for you as well, which is a

623
00:35:48,669 --> 00:35:49,679
big deal.

624
00:35:50,139 --> 00:35:50,541
Yeah.

625
00:35:50,541 --> 00:35:51,675
uh

626
00:35:51,675 --> 00:35:54,767
tool, clearly looking at Jeff's list, Docs is higher.

627
00:35:54,767 --> 00:35:57,929
Docs is the thing that actually moves the needle.

628
00:35:57,929 --> 00:35:58,274
Hmm.

629
00:35:58,274 --> 00:35:59,195
right, that's fair.

630
00:35:59,195 --> 00:36:02,040
All right, what we get next?

631
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,314
Jeff, you got Gemini.

632
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,853
you suck.

633
00:36:07,096 --> 00:36:08,482
I wanted Gemini.

634
00:36:08,482 --> 00:36:09,838
Yeah, it's Jim's turn.

635
00:36:09,838 --> 00:36:10,089
and I.

636
00:36:10,089 --> 00:36:10,762
How about that?

637
00:36:10,762 --> 00:36:11,934
Wow, that's a tough one, right?

638
00:36:11,934 --> 00:36:20,373
Because I think Gemini is so new and so like, like it's becoming essential to a lot of
folks.

639
00:36:20,373 --> 00:36:21,755
three, and five left.

640
00:36:21,755 --> 00:36:23,594
This is definitely not a five seed.

641
00:36:23,594 --> 00:36:26,533
It's not a five seed, but you also don't know what's coming.

642
00:36:26,533 --> 00:36:30,499
He's either saying that it's less than forms or it's more than forms.

643
00:36:30,499 --> 00:36:32,242
That's basically where we are right here.

644
00:36:32,242 --> 00:36:39,242
is, he's like, like, he's like Gemini is great, but have you ever made a Google form?

645
00:36:39,242 --> 00:36:41,334
Have you ever used choice to eliminate error?

646
00:36:41,716 --> 00:36:42,803
Have you ever?

647
00:36:42,803 --> 00:36:44,840
Have you ever read a branch in four?

648
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,193
Have you ever read a branch

649
00:36:46,298 --> 00:36:48,817
turn off after a certain number of respondents?

650
00:36:48,817 --> 00:36:49,536
the

651
00:36:49,536 --> 00:36:54,993
Or eliminate choices so that you could have Donnie throw up on you in a demo slam.

652
00:36:54,993 --> 00:37:02,209
have you ever tried to organize the class party and everyone brings the paper towels and
no one brings the cakes?

653
00:37:02,209 --> 00:37:03,332
Yeah, yeah.

654
00:37:03,332 --> 00:37:13,132
And I know Gmail, Jim's gonna pick as number one for the delay in responding.

655
00:37:13,152 --> 00:37:13,485
Yeah.

656
00:37:13,485 --> 00:37:21,128
going to use, if I'm going to use the Jesse like thinking around this, like, you know, as
a teaching tool, well, maybe it's number one.

657
00:37:21,128 --> 00:37:28,424
I I, I, I might, I might have to put this into the number one slot just because of it's
like, it's hot because it's so hot, right?

658
00:37:28,424 --> 00:37:37,151
Like it, and, and, and the amount of things it's been teaching me is that in like guided
learning, the idea of guided learning in there to kind of, can create your own.

659
00:37:37,463 --> 00:37:40,190
Yeah, Gems has been really amazing, you know.

660
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:44,392
that plus, think of all the things we haven't even thought to do with it yet.

661
00:37:44,392 --> 00:37:45,129
Like, it's like...

662
00:37:45,129 --> 00:37:50,337
Hence, that's why it's number one base could be based currently and on future.

663
00:37:50,337 --> 00:37:58,910
Where it's gonna get wild, y'all, is when the video creation piece, it's not a two to
three minute wait anymore, it's instantaneous.

664
00:37:58,952 --> 00:38:00,532
That's when it's gonna get wild.

665
00:38:00,532 --> 00:38:02,026
spot before he even answered.

666
00:38:02,026 --> 00:38:10,242
I look, think, I look, mean, Gemini does it like, if we're saying Gemini, we're talking
about the chat, probably the chat app, like Gemini.google.com.

667
00:38:10,242 --> 00:38:11,883
We're not talking about like notebook.

668
00:38:11,883 --> 00:38:13,104
We're not talking about Bayo.

669
00:38:13,104 --> 00:38:14,943
We're not talking about all the other things that it does.

670
00:38:14,943 --> 00:38:19,708
But you're also, Gemini's found in email, it's found on Chrome.

671
00:38:19,789 --> 00:38:22,362
Yeah, it's found in, so, yeah.

672
00:38:22,362 --> 00:38:26,616
the slides, be able to make images and slides, I absolutely love.

673
00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:28,908
Did you go one?

674
00:38:28,908 --> 00:38:29,413
Jesse.

675
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:37,525
you say anything, I'm just gonna tell you, this is my biggest fear about doing this, is I
know Donnie likes to play fast and loose with the rules.

676
00:38:37,525 --> 00:38:43,159
now I'm in a position where if I use my, I'm very nervous, I'm just gonna say that.

677
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,761
Google Plus, where you putting it?

678
00:38:45,761 --> 00:38:46,581
No.

679
00:38:48,183 --> 00:38:49,163
No.

680
00:38:51,845 --> 00:38:53,065
The buzz.

681
00:38:53,466 --> 00:38:54,186
iGoogle.

682
00:38:54,186 --> 00:38:56,438
No, Jesse, you did actually luck out.

683
00:38:56,438 --> 00:38:59,050
Adobe Express is yours next.

684
00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:00,030
Yeah.

685
00:39:00,331 --> 00:39:01,451
He lucked out.

686
00:39:01,451 --> 00:39:02,423
He lucked out.

687
00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:03,664
It is next.

688
00:39:03,764 --> 00:39:04,555
So where you putting it?

689
00:39:04,555 --> 00:39:05,425
Five?

690
00:39:05,624 --> 00:39:11,772
So I have my one spot and my five spots so Let me think about this one for a second.

691
00:39:11,772 --> 00:39:13,834
I'm gonna put it at my one spot.

692
00:39:13,834 --> 00:39:18,488
So Let me let me yeah, let me let me go get on my pedestal for a second.

693
00:39:18,488 --> 00:39:18,839
Um

694
00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:20,517
been Gemini or Express.

695
00:39:20,517 --> 00:39:21,200
I'll tell you that.

696
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,657
So I think you both picked well.

697
00:39:22,657 --> 00:39:26,780
Look, Adobe Express is free and available to every K-12 student.

698
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,224
It is democratizing the ability for creativity for all.

699
00:39:32,224 --> 00:39:36,867
is, is actively taking notes while I say all this.

700
00:39:37,218 --> 00:39:41,681
And then he's gonna take a picture of those notes and have Gemini arrange them for him

701
00:39:41,681 --> 00:39:42,745
been on that.

702
00:39:44,963 --> 00:39:48,428
my beliefs are not rooted in my salary.

703
00:39:48,428 --> 00:39:53,914
My beliefs are rooted in the impact I have seen in classrooms with kids.

704
00:39:53,914 --> 00:39:58,400
Jeff has seen these two, stories of kids that have really like, know, creative tools
change lives.

705
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,581
I'll leave it at that.

706
00:39:59,768 --> 00:40:01,151
right.

707
00:40:01,151 --> 00:40:02,614
Oh, Jeff.

708
00:40:02,614 --> 00:40:04,808
Can you hear the Latin music playing outside?

709
00:40:04,808 --> 00:40:05,931
I don't know if you can.

710
00:40:05,931 --> 00:40:08,292
I can, I'm ready for karaoke to break out.

711
00:40:08,292 --> 00:40:09,976
Jeff, Google.

712
00:40:10,231 --> 00:40:14,274
some rando like streetwalker like with his boombox on his shoulder.

713
00:40:14,415 --> 00:40:15,676
It's not a car.

714
00:40:15,916 --> 00:40:17,598
you got Google Sites.

715
00:40:17,598 --> 00:40:18,931
What you put in Google Sites,

716
00:40:18,931 --> 00:40:20,723
I love Google sites too, still.

717
00:40:20,723 --> 00:40:21,643
that sucks.

718
00:40:21,643 --> 00:40:22,614
That sucks.

719
00:40:22,614 --> 00:40:26,670
The two that I I would have easily put express with Gemini at number one.

720
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:27,812
some big apps still out there.

721
00:40:27,812 --> 00:40:29,213
I'm just saying, you know there's some big ones left.

722
00:40:29,213 --> 00:40:32,514
I'm going to put it at four just because it's effective.

723
00:40:32,514 --> 00:40:35,126
It's quite honestly, there's two different ways to look at it.

724
00:40:35,126 --> 00:40:47,160
And I, I love sites for myself to host things and I could, I sites is one of the things
that I feel comfortable enough using now that I could use it almost as an LMS replacement.

725
00:40:47,441 --> 00:40:48,521
almost.

726
00:40:49,401 --> 00:40:50,943
So I still love it.

727
00:40:50,943 --> 00:40:54,974
but if sites website, no, know.

728
00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:56,009
cluckiest.

729
00:40:56,009 --> 00:40:56,698
the best.

730
00:40:56,698 --> 00:40:58,689
was, it was like lipstick on a pig.

731
00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:05,092
The fun was to like, to be able to make it do things that made, cause it was always
functional to make it do things that made it look good.

732
00:41:05,092 --> 00:41:06,843
Remember how hard we fought at that.

733
00:41:06,843 --> 00:41:18,870
And now you can, now you can code anything now in the AI and then make, was, I did a, I
did a test module for the course I created in the Philippines and we, Ken and I put it on

734
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:19,871
Google sites.

735
00:41:19,871 --> 00:41:24,253
And so I was like coding this self evaluation on which path you should take.

736
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,190
and it just went in there beautifully.

737
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:28,469
So yeah, I'm gonna put it at four.

738
00:41:28,469 --> 00:41:30,436
I would have probably moved it ahead of drive.

739
00:41:30,436 --> 00:41:31,957
ah

740
00:41:31,957 --> 00:41:36,190
at your list, I'm like, if you just flip those two, but that's the beauty of the blind
ranking, right?

741
00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:36,874
You never know.

742
00:41:36,874 --> 00:41:38,446
a risk what your one seed might be.

743
00:41:38,446 --> 00:41:41,197
well, there is, but.

744
00:41:41,197 --> 00:41:42,458
what I can get.

745
00:41:44,253 --> 00:41:49,387
No, but Express web pages now with your ability to do text to image.

746
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:56,376
Express web pages could be used the way we would currently use a Google Doc, which I think
is amazing.

747
00:41:56,376 --> 00:42:04,502
Back in the day when we were doing all our presenting on Google stuff, forms was always my
favorite thing to present on because forms was like the entry, the easy way to collect

748
00:42:04,502 --> 00:42:07,575
data and then get into a sheet and then do all the cool sheets magic stuff.

749
00:42:07,575 --> 00:42:14,841
I always love sites, but express page is probably like the way I feel about forms.

750
00:42:14,882 --> 00:42:15,862
I feel the way about that.

751
00:42:15,862 --> 00:42:21,056
The way I felt about forms, like it's my favorite thing in express that people don't know
about.

752
00:42:21,056 --> 00:42:22,195
And it's so.

753
00:42:22,195 --> 00:42:25,762
limiting like Google Sites was when it first came out, like four themes.

754
00:42:25,762 --> 00:42:27,946
So that's good way to get kids into it.

755
00:42:27,946 --> 00:42:28,577
No, I know.

756
00:42:28,577 --> 00:42:31,291
But now I want a little more.

757
00:42:31,813 --> 00:42:33,596
Like Sites has given me more now.

758
00:42:33,596 --> 00:42:34,849
So I've given.

759
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:36,851
will tell you more is on the way.

760
00:42:36,851 --> 00:42:39,433
You will be very happy, Jeffrey Howell.

761
00:42:39,714 --> 00:42:40,435
You heard it.

762
00:42:40,435 --> 00:42:46,440
You heard it here on the partial credit podcast, a vague statement that more is coming
soon, more soon.

763
00:42:46,478 --> 00:42:48,862
no, no, no, no, that's forbidden.

764
00:42:48,862 --> 00:42:52,646
Those two words together are forbidden in this group.

765
00:42:52,877 --> 00:42:54,174
All right, we've just lost Jim.

766
00:42:54,174 --> 00:42:57,661
ah Jim, Gmail, where you gonna put Gmail?

767
00:42:58,579 --> 00:43:00,019
teaching tool.

768
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:01,330
It's a teaching.

769
00:43:01,330 --> 00:43:03,742
Well, it's got, there's gotta be something worse, right?

770
00:43:03,742 --> 00:43:09,255
But I think as a teaching tool, like it's, you know, I'm not teaching anybody with Gmail.

771
00:43:09,255 --> 00:43:11,886
I mean, I've taught Gmail, which I love to do.

772
00:43:14,007 --> 00:43:18,590
Yeah.

773
00:43:18,590 --> 00:43:20,989
Combined with a template, you know, that's my favorite.

774
00:43:20,989 --> 00:43:23,827
that yours, the deuce ed?

775
00:43:24,398 --> 00:43:25,491
That's right, that's right.

776
00:43:25,491 --> 00:43:26,223
I remember that.

777
00:43:26,223 --> 00:43:26,654
you.

778
00:43:26,654 --> 00:43:27,487
I hate you.

779
00:43:27,487 --> 00:43:28,393
quit.

780
00:43:28,393 --> 00:43:39,650
a while, I'll see like, cause I just always do this demo slam where it would be undo send
and then, you know, like you have to save your job because like you, cause you always

781
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:41,981
write back, like I hate you or something like that.

782
00:43:41,981 --> 00:43:44,948
or you reply to a parent.

783
00:43:44,948 --> 00:43:45,619
fudge.

784
00:43:45,619 --> 00:43:47,919
it ever go wrong in the demo slab?

785
00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:49,146
it did, uh, do you said?

786
00:43:49,146 --> 00:43:50,343
tell you how many times it went wrong.

787
00:43:50,343 --> 00:43:51,238
went so wrong.

788
00:43:51,238 --> 00:43:51,907
uh

789
00:43:51,907 --> 00:43:53,361
they have messages from Jim.

790
00:43:53,361 --> 00:43:56,594
They found this that I hate you or something like that.

791
00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:56,795
that.

792
00:43:56,795 --> 00:44:02,060
I don't have people that I actually really think are important in my life, but I get this
email and it says, hate you.

793
00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:04,553
I'm like, this is terrible for my ego.

794
00:44:04,553 --> 00:44:07,997
it's, yeah, I know.

795
00:44:07,997 --> 00:44:11,661
So it's a great, I love Gmail, it's amazing.

796
00:44:11,661 --> 00:44:13,853
I don't know how to use any other email client, right?

797
00:44:13,853 --> 00:44:17,556
But I think it's not necessarily a teaching tool, right?

798
00:44:17,556 --> 00:44:18,308
Like a.

799
00:44:18,308 --> 00:44:22,097
it coincidence that Jim's only received Google tools?

800
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,601
Donnie?

801
00:44:23,753 --> 00:44:25,603
listen, it's just a list.

802
00:44:25,603 --> 00:44:27,323
Does this make sense?

803
00:44:27,703 --> 00:44:32,323
So just for this, I'm going to put Gmail on my number.

804
00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:33,723
Nah, it's fair.

805
00:44:33,723 --> 00:44:37,386
going into the last round, just so we're clear, we don't have a choice.

806
00:44:37,386 --> 00:44:41,169
Doddy's basically just telling us what it is and it's going in that slot.

807
00:44:41,169 --> 00:44:45,486
So whatever I'm getting now is, oh, I know what he's giving you.

808
00:44:45,486 --> 00:44:47,938
Whatever I'm getting is going to my five slot.

809
00:44:47,938 --> 00:44:50,069
Whatever Jeff is going is getting into his one slot.

810
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:53,612
And Jim has left his number three spot open.

811
00:44:53,612 --> 00:44:56,955
So very judicious and cautious, just like Jim.

812
00:44:56,955 --> 00:44:58,540
Very patient.

813
00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:02,060
you're, okay, Jesse, yours is the new Adobe Express.

814
00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:02,740
Where you putting it?

815
00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:03,820
No, I'm just kidding.

816
00:45:03,907 --> 00:45:04,529
No, what do you got?

817
00:45:04,529 --> 00:45:06,505
I'm trying, Google calendar.

818
00:45:06,505 --> 00:45:08,557
So I guess that'll be your five spot then.

819
00:45:08,557 --> 00:45:09,834
You got Google calendar?

820
00:45:09,834 --> 00:45:17,733
just to wrap up my list then, my list is Adobe Express at one, Nearpod at two, Maps at
three, Keep at four, Calendar at five.

821
00:45:17,733 --> 00:45:24,721
I actually think those five are kind of like where they need to be with maybe, yeah.

822
00:45:24,721 --> 00:45:27,949
And Donnie, half of these tools aren't that effective for kids.

823
00:45:27,949 --> 00:45:29,654
So I want to rethink the list.

824
00:45:29,654 --> 00:45:31,216
I want to rethink the list.

825
00:45:31,684 --> 00:45:32,785
that's the point.

826
00:45:32,785 --> 00:45:33,026
right.

827
00:45:33,026 --> 00:45:36,989
Well, Jeff, your next one that's again in order, Google Sheets.

828
00:45:37,317 --> 00:45:38,198
Ooh.

829
00:45:38,198 --> 00:45:41,445
Well, you could make a case for that thing being number one, that's for sure.

830
00:45:41,445 --> 00:45:42,704
And I don't have a choice.

831
00:45:42,704 --> 00:45:43,161
one.

832
00:45:43,161 --> 00:45:44,218
All right.

833
00:45:44,222 --> 00:45:51,668
No, again, of my list, I don't know what I would honestly, then I'd probably move docs,
probably move docs to one.

834
00:45:52,204 --> 00:46:02,838
as a math, as a former math teacher, Sheets is incredibly powerful for data analysis,
especially now with the built-in, yeah, totally.

835
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,746
If you think about it, what I always said about forms was,

836
00:46:05,746 --> 00:46:08,505
like data collection and data analysis about 8%.

837
00:46:08,505 --> 00:46:11,219
So I mean, it's like 8 % effective.

838
00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:20,159
I always loved about forms was the fact that it gave me a sheet with the data already in.

839
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:25,739
If you spend time thinking about the design, I remember your game of forms.

840
00:46:26,139 --> 00:46:29,667
Mine was May the Forms Be with You, so we were both very clever.

841
00:46:29,667 --> 00:46:33,785
Actually, mine was everything you wanted to know about Google Forms, but was too afraid to
ask.

842
00:46:33,785 --> 00:46:37,403
It's a cinephile reference, but anyway.

843
00:46:37,403 --> 00:46:38,156
All right.

844
00:46:38,156 --> 00:46:41,062
one, so Jim, this is going in your third spot.

845
00:46:41,116 --> 00:46:43,200
All Jim, yours is Kahoot.

846
00:46:43,403 --> 00:46:44,484
Kahoot.

847
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:49,658
So let's just go through Jeff and Jim's finalists.

848
00:46:49,658 --> 00:46:51,060
So Jeff had.

849
00:46:51,623 --> 00:46:52,905
I know, I know what CAHOOT is.

850
00:46:52,905 --> 00:47:07,914
I've had to look up a couple of these today, like I, I, think, I mean, as a teaching tool,
yeah, it fits, it fits, it fits in my, in my list pretty well at number three.

851
00:47:07,914 --> 00:47:08,382
Yeah.

852
00:47:08,382 --> 00:47:10,155
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

853
00:47:10,155 --> 00:47:13,833
Jeff, you have Sheets, Docs, Drive, Sites, Pear Deck.

854
00:47:13,833 --> 00:47:24,310
Well, I think there was like so few of these that have, my feeling on that is that the
whole overall list reads more like productivity tools than educational tools.

855
00:47:24,425 --> 00:47:25,327
That was my point.

856
00:47:25,327 --> 00:47:27,091
I wanted it to be a challenge.

857
00:47:27,366 --> 00:47:36,894
And Jim, I think Jim nailed, in retrospect, Jim, I think you have to be happy with putting
Gemini at the one spot because if Kahoot is sitting there over Gemini, you're not loving

858
00:47:36,894 --> 00:47:37,864
it right now.

859
00:47:38,084 --> 00:47:39,378
Right, so.

860
00:47:39,378 --> 00:47:41,210
or Express it number one.

861
00:47:41,331 --> 00:47:42,148
Easily.

862
00:47:42,148 --> 00:47:45,944
forms Kahoot Earth Gmail.

863
00:47:46,645 --> 00:47:48,051
Yeah, that feels good.

864
00:47:48,051 --> 00:47:49,476
That feels good to me.

865
00:47:49,691 --> 00:47:50,895
yeah.

866
00:47:50,895 --> 00:48:04,726
is one that I struggle with because I think that the group that is on this podcast right
now probably have more inside baseball knowledge of like Earth and why it's so valuable.

867
00:48:04,726 --> 00:48:08,801
But to the common educator, Earth would not seem very valuable.

868
00:48:08,801 --> 00:48:23,061
I would argue that I think for the general class, like if you're having a whole class of
kids or whatever you're teaching, Kahoot and Forms, I think they sort of go at each other

869
00:48:23,061 --> 00:48:24,621
a little bit.

870
00:48:25,821 --> 00:48:33,401
But Earth is sort of a complementary tool to what you're teaching if you're not just
teaching geography or something.

871
00:48:33,885 --> 00:48:38,617
It's like it can, it really can be, it can embellish some other, another piece of your
lesson, right?

872
00:48:38,617 --> 00:48:39,806
ah

873
00:48:39,806 --> 00:48:40,777
we don't use it.

874
00:48:40,777 --> 00:48:45,491
We don't use it enough to make things visual when we could, because that's what I was
going to say.

875
00:48:45,491 --> 00:48:47,873
and I think probably save Donnie.

876
00:48:47,955 --> 00:48:56,243
would you probably use it more than all of us put together is that like, I want to use it
and I love it when I use it, but I rarely go, earth is the internet.

877
00:48:56,243 --> 00:48:58,515
I mean, where Donnie, know with both

878
00:48:58,643 --> 00:49:05,939
right you have to you have to rework things in order to get it into Yeah

879
00:49:05,939 --> 00:49:07,681
using it more, I'm assuming.

880
00:49:07,681 --> 00:49:18,190
if I was teaching, if I was teaching, would probably like, if it was my class doing what I
taught, I would be like Gemini, probably Earth, probably forms, probably Kahoot, then

881
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:18,570
Gina.

882
00:49:18,570 --> 00:49:24,915
Like if I was teaching, if it was me teaching, because like, I just think that Earth is so
fun, right?

883
00:49:24,915 --> 00:49:27,257
And it can, there's so many cool things you can do with it.

884
00:49:27,257 --> 00:49:33,972
Forms, again, I told you about my struggle with feedback and like the idea of feedback and
the truthfulness behind feedback.

885
00:49:34,223 --> 00:49:39,536
I feel like forms is really great for collecting feedback, but it's like, it doesn't sit
high on my list of things.

886
00:49:39,536 --> 00:49:48,651
You know, I think back now to like the early days, I mean, and all of us are fairly early
GTA academies.

887
00:49:48,651 --> 00:49:51,773
um And I remember it.

888
00:49:51,773 --> 00:50:00,466
And I remember seeing, I remember it was either the refresh or the academy itself where
they showed like the research tool in Google Docs.

889
00:50:00,466 --> 00:50:03,218
like, you would think mayhem was breaking out of the room.

890
00:50:03,218 --> 00:50:07,178
Like people were like screaming, my God, I can't.

891
00:50:07,178 --> 00:50:11,838
it can insert a picture from the internet, like right into the document.

892
00:50:12,098 --> 00:50:23,798
And then I remember feeling that same thing again when we all went and saw the web-based
Earth for the first time and we were just like, oh my God, I can't believe it.

893
00:50:23,798 --> 00:50:27,098
You could do this on a Chromebook and it goes all over the place.

894
00:50:27,098 --> 00:50:31,598
And I feel like AI now has that same...

895
00:50:32,366 --> 00:50:36,350
magic thing that when you're in a room with people and they see what it can do.

896
00:50:36,350 --> 00:50:43,127
And I know at least, you know, Jeff and I present a lot on Express and get to show
generative AI, like crowdsource it.

897
00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:46,761
Jeff has a really great actually workflow with the, what is it?

898
00:50:46,761 --> 00:50:48,072
Anthropomorphic?

899
00:50:48,337 --> 00:50:50,265
Yeah, anthropomorphized.

900
00:50:51,401 --> 00:50:55,645
Yeah, Jim is bringing a dictionary to the next recording.

901
00:50:55,645 --> 00:50:56,340
He's like...

902
00:50:56,340 --> 00:50:59,622
didn't, I popped a picture, I gotta pull it out of the box.

903
00:51:00,363 --> 00:51:01,344
Yeah.

904
00:51:02,005 --> 00:51:03,171
That's my takeaway.

905
00:51:03,171 --> 00:51:15,045
like, like, you know, there's something when you see, and I'll tell you one other thing
that I see it on and it's not a tool, but it's a feature, but it's when we show like

906
00:51:15,045 --> 00:51:21,536
enhanced audio to filter out background noise so that you can just record in room with
everyone talking at the same time and literally, yeah.

907
00:51:21,637 --> 00:51:25,838
It's actually built right into Express now, but that is a feature that people like lose
their minds over.

908
00:51:25,838 --> 00:51:26,949
So just stuff like that.

909
00:51:26,949 --> 00:51:39,331
when you get that type of reaction from teachers you have to really say okay it's
resonating them in with them in some way because they believe it's going to lead to X

910
00:51:39,331 --> 00:51:46,108
right some different outcome whether it is for their own productivity or for a learning
outcome in the classroom

911
00:51:46,764 --> 00:51:55,429
And sometimes it's just that one little feature that they've been waiting six months for
or four years for like, my gosh, I wanted to use this except it couldn't blank.

912
00:51:55,429 --> 00:52:00,842
And now we can record 30 students in the room at the same time and not run into that
issue.

913
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,004
well, and I would say the same kind of tool idea.

914
00:52:04,004 --> 00:52:08,708
When Google tiered the workspace, it was challenging for us because we have the free
version.

915
00:52:08,708 --> 00:52:17,735
Now that we have access to Gemini and OpenGLM and Google Vids now, if you guys have it,
and I know Donnie, have, but Jesse, Google Vids is crazy cool.

916
00:52:17,735 --> 00:52:19,176
And now we have it for free.

917
00:52:19,176 --> 00:52:22,348
And now I can show it to my kids.

918
00:52:22,348 --> 00:52:24,451
that's just yet another.

919
00:52:24,451 --> 00:52:32,317
thing that we had five other tools that did that that we all had to pay for and now it's
just in there and it works very well.

920
00:52:32,317 --> 00:52:36,942
This rarely happens on the partial credit podcast, but Donnie, good job.

921
00:52:36,942 --> 00:52:39,484
That was a good game.

922
00:52:39,484 --> 00:52:40,375
You did a nice job.

923
00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:42,517
I think everyone here is offering you kudos for once.

924
00:52:42,517 --> 00:52:52,677
But before Jim runs to the airport to go wherever he's going, Donnie, you had a stupid
website that you wanted to share with everyone.

925
00:52:52,898 --> 00:52:53,489
I do.

926
00:52:53,489 --> 00:52:57,361
And usually with these, I try to come up with some classroom connection.

927
00:52:57,361 --> 00:52:59,161
I got nothing on this one.

928
00:52:59,161 --> 00:53:01,178
You didn't have anything for the last one either.

929
00:53:01,178 --> 00:53:02,031
The last one was great.

930
00:53:02,031 --> 00:53:03,885
Have you dreamed of this man?

931
00:53:05,131 --> 00:53:07,599
Jim, should I show Jim the picture?

932
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:08,479
I have not.

933
00:53:08,479 --> 00:53:09,396
have I.

934
00:53:10,138 --> 00:53:16,856
All right, so if you go to, I mean, I'm more of a dog guy, but I'm assuming you've heard
of cats.

935
00:53:16,959 --> 00:53:18,572
So if you go to cat.

936
00:53:18,886 --> 00:53:20,608
you've heard of cats.

937
00:53:21,009 --> 00:53:22,250
The play?

938
00:53:22,371 --> 00:53:24,773
Where the hell are the dancing cats?

939
00:53:25,122 --> 00:53:30,087
go to cat-bounce.com.

940
00:53:31,028 --> 00:53:36,463
Cat, that's with a C, not a K, dash bounce.com.

941
00:53:36,463 --> 00:53:38,121
Why do I feel like he's shown this before?

942
00:53:38,121 --> 00:53:39,353
Have you shown this before?

943
00:53:39,353 --> 00:53:40,028
Okay.

944
00:53:40,028 --> 00:53:40,919
you have.

945
00:53:41,683 --> 00:53:43,185
You've shown this before.

946
00:53:44,034 --> 00:53:44,464
I will.

947
00:53:44,464 --> 00:53:51,519
if you go to, yeah, cat.bounce, um and so all these cats fall down.

948
00:53:52,929 --> 00:53:54,212
Yeah, you can make it well.

949
00:53:54,212 --> 00:53:58,205
then, if you look in the top, you can like fling them.

950
00:53:58,205 --> 00:53:59,026
It's fun.

951
00:53:59,026 --> 00:54:03,069
But if you look like in the top, no, I've shown one like it before.

952
00:54:03,069 --> 00:54:06,312
No, I've shown the bury me with my money one, which is similar to this.

953
00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:07,782
But when you go up there.

954
00:54:07,782 --> 00:54:11,974
And the only way I've seen this before is if it was from you.

955
00:54:11,974 --> 00:54:12,625
shown this before.

956
00:54:12,625 --> 00:54:15,972
think episode 111, we've hit our first repeat.

957
00:54:16,489 --> 00:54:17,129
Oh, look at that.

958
00:54:17,129 --> 00:54:20,689
you hit make it rain, a little cat promo thing pops up.

959
00:54:20,689 --> 00:54:23,469
I'm a little scared to scroll down.

960
00:54:23,469 --> 00:54:24,389
So I'm not going to.

961
00:54:24,389 --> 00:54:28,589
So if you click make it rain, bunch of cats.

962
00:54:30,042 --> 00:54:32,743
I didn't really you can actually grab the cats and lift them up

963
00:54:32,743 --> 00:54:34,557
Yeah, see, that's a new feature.

964
00:54:34,557 --> 00:54:37,262
doing, was flinging the cats all over the screen.

965
00:54:37,262 --> 00:54:40,143
lift me up where we belong.

966
00:54:40,143 --> 00:54:41,363
What is this?

967
00:54:41,363 --> 00:54:42,102
them again.

968
00:54:42,102 --> 00:54:43,134
It's cute.

969
00:54:43,143 --> 00:54:43,645
See?

970
00:54:43,645 --> 00:54:46,680
And you said it was, no, see they've added new features to it.

971
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:53,524
but you've showed it before, because I have seen it before, and I could only have seen it
before if it was something stupid that I found online.

972
00:54:53,524 --> 00:54:57,377
95 % positive we've seen this before on the Parish Credit Podcast.

973
00:54:57,377 --> 00:55:00,090
is actually quite therapeutic.

974
00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:01,378
It's indoor recess.

975
00:55:01,378 --> 00:55:03,325
Hey, put it up on the big TV.

976
00:55:03,793 --> 00:55:05,374
Donnie's like, I have a website.

977
00:55:05,374 --> 00:55:07,233
I've never showed it to you before.

978
00:55:07,233 --> 00:55:09,534
It's called Chicken Out of Raft.

979
00:55:09,534 --> 00:55:12,534
I'm going to show it to you right now.

980
00:55:14,156 --> 00:55:15,673
bring it back.

981
00:55:15,673 --> 00:55:17,652
Pliny ranked these stupid websites.

982
00:55:17,652 --> 00:55:19,160
cat is just really going.

983
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,279
if the cats were to bounce into each other, they should all sort of react.

984
00:55:22,279 --> 00:55:24,514
So there could be some improvement on this.

985
00:55:24,756 --> 00:55:27,192
I'll talk to my people, I'll see what I can do.

986
00:55:28,347 --> 00:55:35,796
Jim Zill's gonna add stupid website to this list of many titles.

987
00:55:35,796 --> 00:55:37,139
so, sir, why are you late for you?

988
00:55:37,139 --> 00:55:40,777
I'm like, it's hard to explain.

989
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:42,378
Yeah, but there were these cats.

990
00:55:42,378 --> 00:55:43,757
oh

991
00:55:43,757 --> 00:55:44,907
another edition of Partial Credit.

992
00:55:44,907 --> 00:55:48,679
We want to thank Jim Sill for joining us right before he headed to the airport.

993
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:55,222
You can check him out on social media at MrSill and check out his work at DeployLearning
at DeployLearning.com.

994
00:55:55,482 --> 00:55:56,639
Thank you so much for joining us.

995
00:55:56,639 --> 00:56:00,904
can find us on the socials at Partial Credit Ed and we can't wait to see you next time.

996
00:56:00,997 --> 00:56:01,602
We love y'all.

997
00:56:01,602 --> 00:56:02,531
Thanks for listening.

998
00:56:02,531 --> 00:56:02,754
Steve.

999
00:56:02,754 --> 00:56:03,878
Thanks, you guys.

1000
00:56:07,089 --> 00:56:07,603
something.

1001
00:56:07,603 --> 00:56:09,788
you stop the recording, Donnie, are you playing an outro?