The One Where We Talk About Sandwiches - PC105

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It's Partial Credit episode 105, and this week we're arguing about AI-generated music.

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Hit it!

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So the first time I heard that music was when we recorded the last episode.

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yeah, after we recorded it, when I went to listen to it, was like Dottie had inserted new
music.

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Again, partial credit is not a democracy.

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Whoever's editing basically makes all the calls.

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And...

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say as the former editor, as a former editor, am um so happy that Donnie is editing and I
don't care if he plays music.

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It was just interesting.

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never had, we had a conversation.

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so many, we could have had a conversation.

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There's so many options for music right now.

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Like Donnie and I love the Bill Simmons podcast that they played Pearl Jam at the
beginning.

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And obviously we can't steal that, right?

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Exactly.

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Play 2.

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It's great.

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It's fantastic.

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um So I was like, Donnie, why don't we just go on like, Suno, for those of who are not
familiar with Suno, Suno is a website that allows you to put in a prompt and create

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AI-generated music.

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And that led to an interesting conversation.

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So we wanted something like that.

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We wanted like a Pearl Jam style intro about...

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yet we got so much more.

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So, Donnie, would you like to play a clip from Classroom Rebels, is Jeff and I, it's our
unofficial theme song of the Partial Credit Podcast.

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Well, first I'm gonna play the one that I asked it to make, which was this lovely tune
that's called Wandering.

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This is, for an instrumental.

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It's just called Wandering Roads.

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I don't hate it.

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Here come the drums.

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It's very podcasty.

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It's very podcast.

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if we start going with this, I would have no problem.

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The prompt that we used, the prompt that I used to create, on Suno, to create the
Grunstall song was that a Grunstall song with a driving beat that should be used as the

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intro music for a podcast hosted by three educators, Jeff, Donnie and Jesse, the podcast
mixes education, pop culture and shenanigans.

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That's all.

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So here's what we're going to do.

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our appeal to the people, yes.

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partial credit in it.

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I should have mentioned the name of the podcast.

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didn't actually, so that's not in the system.

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We're not training the models.

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So here's what I'm gonna do.

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I'm gonna play this for about, let's say 20 seconds.

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And then Jesse, I'm gonna pause it and let you read the lyrics.

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Sure.

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going say, pay keen attention to the lyrics.

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Okay, so this is...

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need to...

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Okay, we can't, this is, okay, let's get at least through the first verse, that will...

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this is Classroom Rebels, which is our new According to Jesse theme song.

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I want you to read those lyrics for us, Jesse.

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What do we got there?

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Every time I hear it, I love it more.

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All right.

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The verse was, minds collide like chalk on the board.

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Jeff's got the facts, but the jokes can't be ignored.

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Which we know is not true.

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They actually can't be ignored.

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Right.

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Donnie drops pop culture like a hammer on glass.

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Jesse's got the edge, keeps it sharp, keeps it fast.

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The chorus is classroom rebels, pencils in the air, breaking down the walls like we just
don't care.

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Education, pop culture, chaos ensues.

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Jeff, Donnie, Jesse, bring in the news.

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Huey Lewis?

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I actually haven't listened to this whole thing yet because Jesse literally made this 30
seconds before he recorded.

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there a bridge?

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gosh, I'm going to try to find the bridge.

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Wow.

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sure that Alice in Chains didn't record this in the 90s?

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I'm not sure if that...

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that could have been straight out of The Matrix, right?

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Isn't that what Neo listens to as he flies up from the phone booth in the end?

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Donnie, what is your issue with this type of content?

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Because again, kids have access to this, or everyone has access to this.

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um But.

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you have to pay for, even though it's AI, have to pay for commercial access to it.

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Like if we did choose this.

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right.

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Luckily, we are making no money on the Partial Credit Podcast, so therefore, it is not
commercially used.

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Yeah.

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So all the songs that we've used for our intro and outro have literally been just the free
ones that come with our podcast app.

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So, so here's the thing.

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So, Suno it's, it's cool, right?

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It really is like, you know, the, the AI music generation has come a long way.

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Like I remember five or six years ago, there's some AI app that came out.

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where it was like you could describe a genre of music, even like an artist, and you could
say, like, make it sound like this or like try to do like some mashups, like make a, you

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know, Bob Dylan folk song with a little bit of Wu Tang mixed in it.

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It like create a, it wouldn't...

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Donnie has done when he was in high school.

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Yeah, sure.

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um I asked to do it, but it didn't have like words yet because AI hadn't been come that
prevalent.

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It could do like a beat, right?

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Kind of mix that in there.

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m But you know, with this, like it's got the lyrics, it's got the person singing, it's got
a weird, strange sounding guitar, which we're just going to roll with.

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And I think it's cool, but I do know like on Spotify, there's like people that are just
churning out dozens of AI songs a day.

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and they're just putting it as like stuff that they're actually recording on their own.

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And like they're making a lot of money off of it.

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I know that like real musicians are not happy about it.

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wait, wait, wait.

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This sounds a lot like the argument against Howard Jones in the 80s.

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Isn't he the guy who owns those hotel chains?

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that's Howard Johnson.

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I'm sorry.

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fault.

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Grape mac and cheese.

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Howard Jones had, but everybody made my joke is like, not a joke, but whenever you used
electronic music when it first started, because I'm old, I mean, it was thought of as not

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music.

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Wait, things can only get better.

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And...

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Don't try to live your life in one day.

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Wasn't that hard?

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Yes, yes.

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Yes.

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is to blame at karaoke, that's a good one.

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Are listing off rules that he had?

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I was trying to figure out what you were saying there.

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This is new stuff for me.

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like, you know, as things evolve, I think you're being a little curmudgeoning because
music is music, whether it was created, you know, on a synthesizer.

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I agree with you.

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What?

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that come out.

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If you read a book that you're like, my gosh, this is awesome, this author is incredible,
what a story to tell.

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But then you learn six months later that he actually is using AI to write the whole thing.

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It's going to change your perception on the book.

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Same thing with music, right?

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Well, to me, uh I used to say, I never liked country music.

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My father and mother listened to it all the time.

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No, no, no.

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Yeah, and my argument, and I think that when you're younger, everything was black and
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was like, country music sucks.

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And my argument was always that it had no soul, that it was a racket, right?

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No, no, no.

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My point, no, no, but my point being that like...

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My argument was always it had no soul because it was like a whole Johnny Bravo thing where
someone wrote the music, somebody played the music, but music is music.

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I remember having a conversation with Melissa from Cincinnati when, uh and she was making
a case for it when we were in Staten Island, Jesse, going to take a picture of the Wu-Tang

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mural.

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ah But I digress on that.

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I agree with you, Donnie, but I, so I would argue that that music actually has no soul.

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ah And country music does, by the way.

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My apologies to the country music lovers.

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But um I feel you.

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But it's still music.

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Yeah, still music.

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We may not like it, but it's still music.

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And that story we would be really annoyed with is still a story.

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Now I'll tell you the one classroom application that I've come up with for like, again, I
know Cino is kind of like the big one right now, but there's gonna be more, right?

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As soon as other companies figure out how to do this, there's gonna be more.

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What?

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Yeah, something like that.

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the, oh, you're making a terrible, terrible pun.

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That was great.

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But that was in the song.

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That was in the song, so we're The one classroom application I've found.

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Thought of this over the summer.

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We can hear that, Jesse.

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But the one classic application that I found, oh, did you write another song?

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Did you ask A.I.

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write another one?

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I can't wait.

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is called the partial credit anthem.

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But we're gonna listen to it together live on the air for the first time.

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it's great.

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So you know how in school, students a lot of times, especially in elementary school,
you'll have them write poetry, like those I am poems, like, you elementary school, like I

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am, yeah, like your cross the poems or I try to avoid stuff with names, but you know,
students write a poem, especially if it's one that doesn't rhyme or does rhyme maybe.

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And, know, you wanted to bring an extra, uh a little bit extra oomph to the poem in Suno
now.

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you can actually upload custom lyrics, right?

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That's an option, it's a free option that you have.

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So you could take the kid's as long as doesn't have their name in it, and copy and paste
that into Suno and say, hey, what kind of music do you want this to sound like?

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90s country, sure.

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80s hip hop, sure.

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Put that in there.

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And then it'll do the whole thing.

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You can even ask it to repeat it a couple of times if it's not super long.

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just a classroom application to take an AI song generator.

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and figuring out how you can bring that into the classroom.

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and take the lyrics into a text to image AI generator and get your album cover.

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Do it all.

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of AI generation, I feel like there's two ways we can go with this combo.

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The first thing though I did want to talk about was um it's not just audio that we've been
messing with.

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uh I feel like Donnie puts out VO uh videos like on the regular.

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In fact, there was one from a recent trip the three of us took to San Francisco where, uh
Jeffrey Heil, I never knew you knew how to tap dance the way.

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this VO3 is not good for audio, for podcasts.

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So we kind of do need to share what that is.

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So Google, I guess about a month and a half ago or right before ISTE, so sort of like
started June, ended June, um they made VO3, V-E-O-3 public, right?

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And it exists within Google Gemini.

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um But basically what it is, it is their AI video creator.

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um And there's other AI video creators that exist.

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There's apps and things that you can pay for.

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But what Veo does is it is probably the best as far as not only like making video, but
also adding sound effects and voice and tap dancing and any, anything that you want.

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And it even has a really, really solid animate from video or sorry, animate from photo
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um And so I had some fun.

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with Jeff because I don't remember what Jeff was taking a picture of something.

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Of you, you dork.

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It was...

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don't know if the audience, we definitely talked about this in the past, but one of the
things Donnie and I like to do is uh when Jeff is trying to take a photo, it's a process.

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There's a whole thing and there's a pose, it's like a meeting pose he does where he's like
on the ground and his butt's pointing up in the air.

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So we have a whole collection of pictures of Jeff taking pictures.

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Yeah, well, so what I was trying to do, because I knew it was coming, right?

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I'm like, God, he's got the camera out, he's looking at the wall behind me.

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So my plan was I was gonna take like 30 photos of him and then turn it into like a stop
motion kind of thing of him like going down, taking the picture and then come back up.

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But one of the pictures, like it looked like he was in the middle of like an 80s dance
routine.

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Like it was fantastic.

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Yeah, he was like Gene Kelly, which I know,

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what were you doing, Jeff?

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well, was Donnie and Jason Smith and I at your hotel and you had gone up.

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Yes.

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The Clancy.

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We, yeah.

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Because so we were leaving and then there was that cool, actually Donnie made a start
thing at the mural thing, the peg thing.

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And so I said, let's, and they had chairs.

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So I'm like, sit in the chair.

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want to take a picture of us.

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So then on my phone, have a little, um, tripod attached.

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So I, but I mean, I set the timer and then, so it was me like getting the phone down and
ready and then doing the 10 second.

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So I'm running from phone 10 second timer too.

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So I'm completely helpless and at the whim of Donnie's ridiculousness.

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So he took the picture.

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no.

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And, and, you know, it's funny is I just was texting with Martin today.

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And uh I think he thinks that's a real thing.

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He's like, I thought I was the most interesting man in the world.

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I had no idea you could tap dance.

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because it looks like legitimately, it was very hard to spot anything.

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Cause I was looking very closely and actually first glance, oh, was that, our friend Mary
Ellen actually posted something recently where she was at Google and it took a still of

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her and then had her do salsa dancing.

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And I was like, or disco dancing, something.

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But either way, it was like, wow, that's really good, these videos.

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Jeff and I, one of the first days, Donnie, when you were posting these for the first time,
Jeff and I actually went to a Dodger game in LA.

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uh We were like parked in the middle of nowhere.

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We had it.

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We like described us and said, make a video of us trying to find our car in the parking
lot of Dodger Stadium afterwards.

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And it was like really funny.

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It was good.

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It's yeah, and you know, these videos are only eight seconds long.

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um So this video of Jeff, sorry, this picture of Jeff like doing his best Gene Kelly or
whatever, I uploaded the video and asked it to uh make him tap dance.

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um And it was good, Jeff, you had some moves, like you've been holding out on us.

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was a tap dancer as a young child.

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it must have been like in White Christmas, right?

242
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Weren't you one of the extras for that?

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Well, it was actually a show called So You Think You Can Tap.

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yeah.

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tell me.

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Go on.

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I can't wait for this one.

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Go.

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Yeah, just go.

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It turns out it was about beer kegs, but my mom put my shoes on and took me there anyway
and I danced.

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I danced like there was no tomorrow and apparently uh tomorrow came too early for me
because I was not chosen.

252
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But you've been playing around in VO3 too, VO3 as well.

253
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Probably shouldn't be confusing there, but yeah.

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also?

255
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Vio3-2-3 also?

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So Jeff, what are you doing in it?

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just messing around with like Donnie.

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A friend of mine, her daughter just graduated from Tuskegee and now she's going to go to a
doctoral program at Penn State.

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And so she was trying to get this image of her daughter like going from golden ah tiger,
golden tigers, Tuskegee, to a Nittany lion.

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So I was trying to get the lions from the logos to come to life.

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It was a little creepy.

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I never really got it right.

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um

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lion is terrifying.

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It is a scary mascot.

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Yes.

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So I never got it to work, but those kind of things were like you and Donnie and I were
talking about animating like murals and things like that.

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For that kind of stuff, yeah, it's a lot easier.

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Don't try to get things to come out, especially multiple things coming out of.

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one of the things, and so we've talked a little bit about that we were all together
recently in San Francisco for the ACE, the Adobe Creative Educator Innovator Summit.

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um All of us were in attendance.

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uh I'm an employee, so I had to be there.

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Ed, Jeff, Dottie are innovators, which we're really excited about.

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But it got me thinking about using, like we do a lot of that text to image work with
students, and there's a lot of classroom applications for that.

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but getting them to then bring those stills to life.

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Right, going beyond just the image.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I was even thinking like, you know, I just kind of playing around this afternoon.

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Um, that's what I was doing at my school.

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I mean, I did not like, I don't live 30 minutes from my school.

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My school was right down the street.

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So had some time this afternoon, went down to school and was like taking pictures of some
of like the murals of Eagles where the Eagles up on the wall.

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And I was like, Hey, bring this to life or make it look like the Eagle on the wall, like
turns and like faces.

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you know, the camera and screeches.

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I was trying to think of like promo videos, like the basketball team.

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And then they had a bunch of like artwork up, like student artwork, like my son did one
that's up there.

287
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that cubus looking one was really cool.

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It's like, yeah, yeah, That was very cool.

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had a few years ago.

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But, um, but anyway, just taking a picture of that and you know, this eagle looks like a
third grader did it, right?

291
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So it's very, very blocky and very, you know, whatever, but it's still recognized that it
was an eagle and made like just the student animation move.

292
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It was quite cool.

293
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Now I wanted to get both of your thoughts and feedback and just kind of hear about some of
the things that people were talking about at the Innovator Summit, but I did want to let

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the audience know while we were out there, the three of us had the good fortune to be able
to participate in an episode of Adobe Live, which is a YouTube channel that has 3 million

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subscribers.

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We actually did a live episode, all three of us in the studio together, where we shared
the top 10

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secrets the teachers should know about using Adobe Express like tips and tricks, which
were all sourced from the Adobe Creative Educator Innovator community.

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We then put out a vote to the Internet to all of the people watching and um we said we
would announce the winner on this week's episode of partial credit and I am proud to

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announce the winner.

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of Adobe Live Challenge.

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we have a drum roll?

302
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Donnie, are you that set?

303
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we do.

304
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Okay, good.

305
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The winner is Donnie Pearcey.

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Donnie Pearcey won by one vote.

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Oh

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you in your home state, Jeff.

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How does that feel?

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The internet is Jeff's home state.

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He's the Laudable Man.

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We are in Calif-

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to one?

314
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Let's just be clear about that.

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two to one.

316
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So I'm fairly certain he voted for himself.

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pretty sure that Doddy broke the tie for himself.

318
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No, I did not vote for me.

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I didn't vote.

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a sign in on this form, which now I regret, but you know.

321
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I could have had a lot of fun with that then.

322
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Dang, I should have made like an AI bot that just went and like voted every 30 seconds.

323
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Just keep it going.

324
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to watch, and actually I'll put it on the, when we post this episode, I'll post the link
on the partial.credit website to that episode of Adobe Live.

325
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It's definitely worth checking out.

326
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um The comments during the live episode were interesting.

327
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Someone was like, I'm here for the chaotic energy.

328
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What is even happening right now?

329
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Well, the best part was the live chat, right?

330
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Because we had a couple dozen people in there.

331
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They're just saying, this is cool, whatever.

332
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But my favorite part, Jesse, was when your family started the chime in and just basically
started to make fun of you and heckle.

333
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It was fantastic.

334
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It was great.

335
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Yeah.

336
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This setup, mean, we have done some pretty cool recording in different spaces, right?

337
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Like when we did the um Great Plains Summit, we had that great setup for recording the
episode.

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This was like next level.

339
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I mean, uh if you check it out, you'll see the three of us sitting next to each other and
behind us, you'll see the display.

340
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And Donnie had an invisible magic button that he would use to press that would allow him
to change from one laptop to the other.

341
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It was really high tech stuff.

342
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almost like Adobe's a billion dollar corporation that can afford stuff like that.

343
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So two things I want to say about that, because it was a lot of fun.

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First, um having a green room beforehand, that was really fun.

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They had like little snacks and everything in the room.

346
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may not have taken pictures of each other afterward in the green room.

347
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Yes.

348
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I specifically...

349
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but I'm gonna go back to record in September, so I will make sure to get my photo there
after.

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time, I did want my green M &Ms, but that was kind of on these stickers and snacks and
everything.

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I I felt like I was living large.

352
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Donnie was gonna be like uh Nigel Tufnell in Spinal Tap and be like, what is this?

353
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I don't want this.

354
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The bread doesn't even fit the...

355
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Smell the glove.

356
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Whatever.

357
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That was your album, in case you forget.

358
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I'm just making sure.

359
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I don't know.

360
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Intravenous Demilo.

361
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Ha ha!

362
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Oh, it's so funny.

363
00:22:55,769 --> 00:22:56,569
man.

364
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And, uh, it was just fun to do.

365
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I didn't realize though, like when we recording, cause I wore, you know, I had like a
pledge.

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had, we had those lovely Adobe jerseys on, but then underneath it, I had my green t-shirt
from my elementary school.

367
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Um, and there was like a green screen behind us, which I was so tempted to do the hi, I'm
in Delaware, like from Wayne's world thing.

368
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But if you go watch the video, like right below my neck, there's always like this.

369
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Yeah, because it was kind of show, I was trying to do like the cool thing with the
baseball jersey and like unbutton it just a little bit at the top.

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But there's like a one inch by two inch triangle.

371
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That's always like, yeah, this is showing like what's directly behind us.

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Yeah, but that was fun.

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I definitely enjoyed that.

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um

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Donnie, don't wear green when there's a green screen.

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really want to do like the floating head thing.

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just felt like I've lived out my dream as a weatherman.

378
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He wants to be zombie.

379
00:23:51,877 --> 00:23:52,699
What?

380
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Jason Giambi?

381
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No, John B.

382
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The Genie from Pee-wee's Playhouse, nevermind.

383
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um Jeff, what were some of your takeaways from the Innovator Summit?

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that Ubers are really expensive in San Francisco.

385
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It was like, you know, was like, we, Donnie and I did take away Mo.

386
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The last, our last ride together was in a way Mo.

387
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I did not enjoy the Waymo experience, if I'm being totally honest with you.

388
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For those of you who are not familiar with Waymo, it is the driverless car situation they
have there in San Francisco.

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I did it once.

390
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I do not know if I will do it again.

391
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When I was stuck in San Francisco last year, I did it for the first time and it was, I
literally took a 500 foot Waymo.

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Like I called and then we were down by the pier and I asked it to take me like from one
block to the next.

393
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Like I was just like, I think it cost me like $12 just to do that.

394
00:24:56,193 --> 00:24:59,453
The Waymo stuff's cool, it's like a driverless car.

395
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You know, and it's one of those things, it's like everybody who rides one.

396
00:25:03,703 --> 00:25:05,895
I've been sure they're just filming it the whole time.

397
00:25:05,895 --> 00:25:08,097
Like I've made videos, I sending it to my kids.

398
00:25:08,097 --> 00:25:20,068
uh It was fun, but I did have to listen to Jeff continually making Waymo puns the whole
time that we were in the Waymo together.

399
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I know.

400
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to dinner with some of the other innovators after the photo walk in Haight.

401
00:25:28,841 --> 00:25:40,184
We went out and we had a lot of, no, no, Yeah, we did a really fun photo walk and then we
went for some really nice Indian food.

402
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Robin and Sean and some very nice man that I don't remember his name.

403
00:25:45,832 --> 00:25:47,322
That's a fun crew.

404
00:25:47,637 --> 00:25:53,111
But the whole time that we were there, for some reason, everybody kept making Waymo puns.

405
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Like, boy, this dinner would be Waymo cheaper if Donnie didn't get the rice.

406
00:26:00,139 --> 00:26:03,542
to Jeff being waymo funny than Donnie, because he made fun of me.

407
00:26:03,542 --> 00:26:09,798
And then it started this waymo wave of replies.

408
00:26:09,798 --> 00:26:14,322
And even straight man Mike there, who didn't really know any of us, started throwing them
out.

409
00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:15,299
It was pretty funny.

410
00:26:15,299 --> 00:26:18,652
Yeah, he's like, well, you look way more mad than Jeff right now.

411
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It was just like, stop.

412
00:26:19,853 --> 00:26:21,474
Like, what am I doing?

413
00:26:21,554 --> 00:26:23,155
Made me so angry.

414
00:26:23,188 --> 00:26:25,657
I mean, not real angry, but it was fun.

415
00:26:25,896 --> 00:26:29,939
it's always fun getting together with other creative people.

416
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,224
And for us having done this for so long, it's always like a reunion, no matter where we
are, hanging out with people.

417
00:26:36,224 --> 00:26:44,810
And Donnie last year just talked me into flying into San Francisco and driving to and
taking an Uber to San Jose.

418
00:26:45,451 --> 00:26:49,068
And then somehow Donnie managed to like...

419
00:26:49,068 --> 00:26:54,562
take down the entire air traffic control system for like five days so he could have a
second vacation.

420
00:26:55,783 --> 00:26:56,884
Took him five days.

421
00:26:56,884 --> 00:26:57,965
Took him five days.

422
00:26:57,965 --> 00:26:59,796
He missed Ramona's birth.

423
00:27:00,025 --> 00:27:00,941
no I didn't.

424
00:27:00,941 --> 00:27:02,387
Ramona's born in March.

425
00:27:02,387 --> 00:27:03,141
No.

426
00:27:03,141 --> 00:27:04,305
Whose birthday did you miss?

427
00:27:04,305 --> 00:27:05,769
You missed a party.

428
00:27:05,992 --> 00:27:08,158
I thought it was your daughter's birthday.

429
00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:18,229
missed a training that I was doing in New Mexico by day, but I was supposed to get home on
Friday the 20th or something, don't remember what was, but I was supposed to get home, I

430
00:27:18,229 --> 00:27:23,909
supposed to leave that Friday morning and then did not end up getting home until Tuesday
afternoon.

431
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:27,649
Maybe it was that time when everything at Delta shut down.

432
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:28,525
Remember that?

433
00:27:28,525 --> 00:27:29,032
yeah.

434
00:27:29,032 --> 00:27:29,972
that time.

435
00:27:29,972 --> 00:27:32,432
I've lived that like two or three times in the past year.

436
00:27:32,432 --> 00:27:34,472
So I don't even know what that time is anymore.

437
00:27:35,332 --> 00:27:36,477
Oh, I remember.

438
00:27:36,477 --> 00:27:37,640
Yeah, it was terrible.

439
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:45,287
um But ah I just remember every morning I woke up and I thought I had a flight and then
nope, canceled.

440
00:27:45,408 --> 00:27:49,581
And I called, you know, and even they put me through and they're like, no, that one's
canceled.

441
00:27:49,581 --> 00:27:51,043
We can put you on another one in two days.

442
00:27:51,043 --> 00:27:51,541
I'm like.

443
00:27:51,541 --> 00:27:56,764
says a lot that Donnie came back for another year, even after that experience.

444
00:27:56,764 --> 00:27:57,766
So that's why.

445
00:27:58,092 --> 00:28:02,619
instead of flying into SFO, he flew into San Jose.

446
00:28:02,619 --> 00:28:06,713
So he would create even more, you keep changing your story.

447
00:28:06,713 --> 00:28:10,469
but then you're paying more for like the transportation to get to San Francisco.

448
00:28:10,469 --> 00:28:13,803
it was still cheaper, even with that I calculated it.

449
00:28:13,803 --> 00:28:14,705
No, you did not.

450
00:28:14,705 --> 00:28:18,993
You only calculate, you know how it got cheaper for you because you may be paid for all
the Ubers.

451
00:28:19,356 --> 00:28:20,892
That's how it got cheaper for you.

452
00:28:20,892 --> 00:28:23,232
the distribution of Uber.

453
00:28:24,092 --> 00:28:28,352
Yeah, but I heard that there was like 14 to 2.

454
00:28:29,972 --> 00:28:31,452
That's what I heard.

455
00:28:31,872 --> 00:28:33,172
The word on the street, Donnie.

456
00:28:33,172 --> 00:28:35,115
word of the...

457
00:28:35,115 --> 00:28:36,359
how stupid this is?

458
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,420
I paid Waymo than Donnie.

459
00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:42,441
Including the Waymo.

460
00:28:42,441 --> 00:28:44,181
Including the Waymo.

461
00:28:45,462 --> 00:28:46,523
No, I did.

462
00:28:46,523 --> 00:28:48,763
I happily paid for the Waymo.

463
00:28:49,584 --> 00:28:54,844
But I would have been happy if you had paid for a few Mo of the Ubers.

464
00:28:54,844 --> 00:28:58,802
Well listen, I would have got, you know the little green scooters that you can pay for by
the minute?

465
00:28:58,802 --> 00:29:00,134
You know those things?

466
00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:01,286
I don't know you call them.

467
00:29:01,286 --> 00:29:07,499
you have to understand guys that Donnie Peirce would leave his family if it meant he could
get a free ride somewhere.

468
00:29:07,499 --> 00:29:16,213
Because the very first morning we were supposed to go somewhere and I'm in the hotel like
thinking he, I am so, and I am.

469
00:29:16,213 --> 00:29:18,374
And then Donnie just disappeared.

470
00:29:18,374 --> 00:29:19,694
Donnie just disappeared.

471
00:29:19,694 --> 00:29:21,755
I text him, like, where are you?

472
00:29:21,755 --> 00:29:24,436
He's like, I thought you were gonna take a while.

473
00:29:24,716 --> 00:29:27,518
And I was literally downstairs waiting and he was just gone.

474
00:29:27,518 --> 00:29:28,649
Because he got a free ride.

475
00:29:28,649 --> 00:29:29,020
right.

476
00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:30,821
I'm telling the story right.

477
00:29:31,163 --> 00:29:31,533
Yes.

478
00:29:31,533 --> 00:29:32,865
So let's tell what really happened.

479
00:29:32,865 --> 00:29:34,157
So Jeff was sleeping in.

480
00:29:34,157 --> 00:29:37,030
You know, I woke up early because I always do.

481
00:29:37,352 --> 00:29:38,460
And, uh...

482
00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:41,663
two were talking and then he fell asleep while you were talking.

483
00:29:41,663 --> 00:29:43,066
No, no, no, no, no.

484
00:29:43,532 --> 00:29:44,443
I did not.

485
00:29:44,443 --> 00:29:44,963
no, no, no.

486
00:29:44,963 --> 00:29:50,065
First off, it's like three o'clock and we're trying to plan out, were we planning again?

487
00:29:50,226 --> 00:29:53,128
The session, the Adobe Live.

488
00:29:53,128 --> 00:29:54,108
And we're planning it out.

489
00:29:54,108 --> 00:29:58,810
And I look over Jeff and his eyes are closed and he's got his hands on the top of his
head.

490
00:29:59,161 --> 00:30:01,152
And I felt like his mom.

491
00:30:01,152 --> 00:30:02,990
I was like, Jeff, go to bed.

492
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:10,068
Jeff had just flown in from the Philippines and boy were his arms tired, but he is...

493
00:30:10,068 --> 00:30:10,840
He chose that.

494
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,465
He chose to come back on that day.

495
00:30:12,465 --> 00:30:14,536
He could have come back two days beforehand.

496
00:30:14,536 --> 00:30:18,499
up when he went and he just, you know when he left?

497
00:30:18,499 --> 00:30:20,340
When I was in the shower.

498
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:25,123
So clearly I was up because I was in the shower and he left.

499
00:30:25,123 --> 00:30:27,144
So don't tell me I was asleep.

500
00:30:27,144 --> 00:30:29,509
I was up and I was in the shower.

501
00:30:29,509 --> 00:30:30,470
we were on the couch.

502
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:32,881
You've even forgotten this part when we were planning this stuff out.

503
00:30:32,881 --> 00:30:34,232
You fell asleep.

504
00:30:34,292 --> 00:30:36,934
in the lobby and I sent him to the bed.

505
00:30:37,755 --> 00:30:40,336
I sent him to the, said, Jeff, go to bed.

506
00:30:40,777 --> 00:30:44,279
And no, it was not Jeff.

507
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:45,480
It was not.

508
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,537
No, no, see.

509
00:30:46,537 --> 00:30:48,616
me the first day, day one.

510
00:30:48,616 --> 00:30:57,277
will say this, when I saw Donnie, the first thing Donnie said to me was, Jeff is gonna be
mad at me because I left him at the hotel.

511
00:30:57,277 --> 00:30:58,494
You did say that.

512
00:30:58,494 --> 00:30:59,109
knew!

513
00:30:59,109 --> 00:31:01,949
because I knew you would be because it was 430.

514
00:31:01,949 --> 00:31:03,529
Sorry, it was like 428.

515
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:05,529
We were supposed to leave at 430.

516
00:31:05,529 --> 00:31:07,889
I go up to the room, you're passed out.

517
00:31:07,889 --> 00:31:10,789
You got like drool coming out of the side of your mouth.

518
00:31:10,829 --> 00:31:13,249
And you're like, no, this is all true.

519
00:31:13,249 --> 00:31:15,789
You just were on Philippines time and exhausted.

520
00:31:15,789 --> 00:31:19,149
And you're like, I'm going to go take a shower.

521
00:31:19,149 --> 00:31:22,169
And I said, Jeff, we got to leave in two minutes.

522
00:31:22,169 --> 00:31:23,769
Like I did.

523
00:31:23,769 --> 00:31:25,289
So I went down.

524
00:31:26,095 --> 00:31:28,657
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

525
00:31:30,761 --> 00:31:35,616
Most importantly, Donnie got a free ride and left me in the hotel.

526
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:37,883
did you guys have extra towels?

527
00:31:38,541 --> 00:31:39,256
thank God.

528
00:31:39,256 --> 00:31:41,065
Yes, we had plenty of tasks.

529
00:31:41,381 --> 00:31:42,693
But no lock on the bathroom.

530
00:31:42,693 --> 00:31:43,425
Did you notice that?

531
00:31:43,425 --> 00:31:44,206
That was a little strange.

532
00:31:44,206 --> 00:31:46,219
Like no locks on the bathroom at all.

533
00:31:46,536 --> 00:31:49,719
Well, it's okay because he was showering when you weren't around because you left him
there.

534
00:31:49,719 --> 00:31:50,631
So it's not a big deal.

535
00:31:50,631 --> 00:31:51,797
Yeah, it's not a big deal.

536
00:31:51,797 --> 00:31:53,869
towards the shower, he would run out.

537
00:31:53,869 --> 00:31:55,829
No, he was like zonked out.

538
00:31:55,829 --> 00:31:57,409
He fell asleep twice.

539
00:31:57,409 --> 00:32:03,844
You don't even remember like planning the Adobe Live on the couch in the lobby because you
fell asleep.

540
00:32:03,844 --> 00:32:07,264
of like, wait, this is kind of like magnet chat from the last episode.

541
00:32:07,264 --> 00:32:12,539
I feel like now we're stepping in, the listening audience is done with this conversation.

542
00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:20,604
So I wanna switch gears because something fun is happening right now in Jeff's neck of the
woods.

543
00:32:21,144 --> 00:32:22,525
It's Comic-Con.

544
00:32:22,645 --> 00:32:26,928
So Comic-Con's happening, but actually I was thinking of Jeff the other day because...

545
00:32:26,928 --> 00:32:27,858
uh

546
00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:35,213
Comic Con in New York happens in October, but they just released the list of people who
are gonna be there taking photo ops and things like that.

547
00:32:35,213 --> 00:32:45,821
And wouldn't you know it, but none other than Jeff's old buddy, Peter Weller, is going to
be there taking pictures.

548
00:32:45,821 --> 00:32:50,484
RoboCop in the flesh will be taking pictures of people.

549
00:32:50,504 --> 00:32:55,808
And no one knows Peter Weller better than our good friend, Buck Del Monte.

550
00:32:55,808 --> 00:32:56,548
No.

551
00:32:57,498 --> 00:33:01,103
I used that money for Martin Sheen, but you know.

552
00:33:01,103 --> 00:33:01,846
again?

553
00:33:01,854 --> 00:33:04,131
No, I will not tell this story again.

554
00:33:04,131 --> 00:33:05,386
It's a good story though.

555
00:33:05,386 --> 00:33:06,841
It is a very good story.

556
00:33:06,841 --> 00:33:07,385
It's fun.

557
00:33:07,385 --> 00:33:12,310
ever seen Jeff's keynote, you know the story, but he has a long, rich history with
Robocop.

558
00:33:12,524 --> 00:33:13,354
Yes.

559
00:33:14,875 --> 00:33:21,397
No, but, but Comic-Con, the real Comic-Con, unlike the one in New York is in San Diego.

560
00:33:21,577 --> 00:33:25,738
And the thing that I will say is, I'm not, these two like comics and stuff.

561
00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:34,140
Donnie wouldn't really go to a Comic-Con, but Jesse spends half his, well, nor you
wouldn't spend the kind of money it would take to go to Comic-Con.

562
00:33:35,061 --> 00:33:35,371
Yeah.

563
00:33:35,371 --> 00:33:36,031
That's what I'm saying.

564
00:33:36,031 --> 00:33:37,662
You would go if it was offered to you.

565
00:33:37,662 --> 00:33:37,892
Yeah.

566
00:33:37,892 --> 00:33:38,052
Yeah.

567
00:33:38,052 --> 00:33:38,262
Yeah.

568
00:33:38,262 --> 00:33:38,522
Yeah.

569
00:33:38,522 --> 00:33:39,242
Yeah.

570
00:33:39,633 --> 00:33:46,097
of ignorance around this stuff, uh he was shown a picture of the thing and said, I don't
even watch that show.

571
00:33:46,098 --> 00:33:49,100
So that is where we are.

572
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:49,971
Yes.

573
00:33:50,175 --> 00:33:54,922
And no, no, and I can get an educator pass too.

574
00:33:54,922 --> 00:33:55,878
It's like a

575
00:33:55,878 --> 00:33:57,379
isn't that crazy?

576
00:33:58,496 --> 00:34:00,444
He lives two blocks away.

577
00:34:01,086 --> 00:34:02,187
I don't care.

578
00:34:02,187 --> 00:34:09,994
What's funny this year, so last year, no, you just can't walk up and say I'm a teacher,
give me a free pass.

579
00:34:09,994 --> 00:34:11,522
You have to go through this thing.

580
00:34:11,522 --> 00:34:12,117
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

581
00:34:12,117 --> 00:34:13,700
So I just don't bother with

582
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:16,032
there was someone who built a Galactus costume.

583
00:34:16,032 --> 00:34:20,046
They showed this on Facebook and it was amazing.

584
00:34:20,796 --> 00:34:21,772
It was huge.

585
00:34:21,772 --> 00:34:25,523
It was like a dude in the stilts, like in the...

586
00:34:25,523 --> 00:34:37,306
if this is your thing and you can't get tickets, it is still worth coming to San Diego to
see it because they skin all of the buildings with things and then all around the the

587
00:34:37,306 --> 00:34:38,207
area.

588
00:34:38,207 --> 00:34:40,407
Like there's lots of free things to do.

589
00:34:40,407 --> 00:34:42,598
Like they Paramount will set up last year.

590
00:34:42,598 --> 00:34:51,374
They had the restaurant, the Bears restaurant set up and they had like the I think that
the new Dexter series they had like a.

591
00:34:51,374 --> 00:34:53,606
trailer set up, Google sat up last year.

592
00:34:53,606 --> 00:34:54,957
I didn't walk around this year so much.

593
00:34:54,957 --> 00:34:56,458
was really, really crowded.

594
00:34:56,458 --> 00:35:00,902
Google sat up a Ferris wheel in the middle of Martin Luther King Promenade.

595
00:35:00,902 --> 00:35:05,025
But just the people watching alone is super crazy and super fun.

596
00:35:05,025 --> 00:35:15,524
And last year, because of the Wolverine versus Deadpool, uh they had a showing at
Comic-Con.

597
00:35:15,524 --> 00:35:20,978
And then they had commissioned this insane uh drone show.

598
00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:22,575
drone shows are cool.

599
00:35:22,575 --> 00:35:30,481
over Petco Park, and I live uh in a complex that has a building that overlooks Petco Park.

600
00:35:30,481 --> 00:35:35,325
So I was just, and there were rumors that they were gonna do it on Friday night.

601
00:35:35,806 --> 00:35:44,072
And somebody, I don't know why they even allow us, in our complex, think there's like 300
units, you're allowed to rent out the roof for free.

602
00:35:44,072 --> 00:35:51,022
You can just say, wanna reserve, somebody reserved the roof thinking they were gonna have
access to this free,

603
00:35:51,022 --> 00:35:53,267
uh laser show and it never happened.

604
00:35:53,267 --> 00:35:55,130
I know, it never happened.

605
00:35:55,793 --> 00:35:58,558
So I would have been sad not to have seen that but...

606
00:35:58,696 --> 00:36:00,856
So missed opportunity on Jeff's part.

607
00:36:00,856 --> 00:36:01,836
Jeff does not take advantage.

608
00:36:01,836 --> 00:36:10,056
But the big takeaway here for listeners is any of these Comic Cons have educator passes
that you can apply for if you live nearby.

609
00:36:10,136 --> 00:36:13,256
And they have free days where you can go with the pass.

610
00:36:13,256 --> 00:36:14,256
I you don't have to pay.

611
00:36:14,256 --> 00:36:17,556
If you want it for like multiple days, you'll pay like a discount to price.

612
00:36:17,556 --> 00:36:19,696
But you can go for free.

613
00:36:19,696 --> 00:36:21,316
They have educator panels.

614
00:36:21,316 --> 00:36:23,032
They have all these different opportunities.

615
00:36:23,032 --> 00:36:29,229
actually, our eSports team from Monarch, my school, had a panel at Comic Con.

616
00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:30,069
a thing?

617
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:31,769
You didn't even go to see your scenes.

618
00:36:31,769 --> 00:36:33,029
Yeah, that's great.

619
00:36:35,334 --> 00:36:39,698
You are a terrible person and teacher for not going to support these kids.

620
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:40,218
students.

621
00:36:40,218 --> 00:36:41,778
They weren't my students.

622
00:36:45,218 --> 00:36:54,858
But I would say the other thing that if you are a Comic-Con person, anytime you come to
San Diego, and I told Jesse this and I realized I didn't tell him when he was here, we

623
00:36:54,858 --> 00:37:07,158
have in Valbua Park, which is this awesome park that was made for the, no, it was made for
the 1918 Pan Pacific exhibition, but it's second only to the Smithsonian for museums and

624
00:37:07,158 --> 00:37:07,886
they,

625
00:37:07,886 --> 00:37:14,190
tore down the sports museum and they, about four or five years ago, they built a Comic-Con
museum.

626
00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:20,494
So there's literally a Comic-Con museum in Valpolo Park.

627
00:37:20,494 --> 00:37:21,351
The more you know.

628
00:37:21,351 --> 00:37:25,573
now, but if it wins next week, could force a tie for first.

629
00:37:25,573 --> 00:37:26,954
Well, Jeff, I'm just saying this.

630
00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:35,892
did have uh at the Adobe thing that we went to, you did have a costume that you could have
worn to Comic-Con.

631
00:37:35,892 --> 00:37:39,416
You did have the Boogie Nights old Dirk Diggler look going.

632
00:37:39,416 --> 00:37:40,821
that is very true.

633
00:37:40,821 --> 00:37:42,686
I thought I pulled that off quite well.

634
00:37:43,513 --> 00:37:46,197
Yeah, you totally could have done that even to the side.

635
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,285
Walking out like a margarita or whatever, do the whole thing.

636
00:37:52,251 --> 00:37:53,300
Senior Dirk.

637
00:37:54,141 --> 00:37:55,008
Love it.

638
00:37:57,762 --> 00:37:58,464
What's next?

639
00:37:58,464 --> 00:37:59,226
I want to wait.

640
00:37:59,226 --> 00:38:02,245
Can I do my quick uh public service announcement?

641
00:38:02,245 --> 00:38:03,041
Wait.

642
00:38:03,058 --> 00:38:08,718
This is a very important public service announcement from Jeffrey Heil.

643
00:38:10,306 --> 00:38:19,094
So I came home from San Francisco and no, no, this is no, feel free.

644
00:38:19,094 --> 00:38:20,155
I came home.

645
00:38:20,155 --> 00:38:21,456
even got an earlier flight.

646
00:38:21,456 --> 00:38:24,398
Donnie can attest to that because I missed my dog.

647
00:38:24,418 --> 00:38:25,689
I really missed my dog.

648
00:38:25,689 --> 00:38:28,241
I missed my daughter too, who was watching the dog, Lily.

649
00:38:28,241 --> 00:38:38,750
I'm sorry if you're listening to this, but, um, so I took an earlier flight and I got home
at like eight 30 and I had texted Lily and I said, I'm going to come get Diego.

650
00:38:39,438 --> 00:38:40,478
And she said, OK.

651
00:38:40,478 --> 00:38:44,860
So literally, like 9.30, I go get my dog from her place.

652
00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:49,722
And she's like, this morning, he's tilting his head.

653
00:38:49,722 --> 00:38:51,383
Like, his equilibrium was off.

654
00:38:51,383 --> 00:38:54,044
And he's like scratching at it and pawing at it.

655
00:38:54,104 --> 00:38:57,326
And um that's like the signs of an ear infection.

656
00:38:57,326 --> 00:38:58,346
So I'm like, all worried.

657
00:38:58,346 --> 00:38:59,097
I call the doctor.

658
00:38:59,097 --> 00:39:00,407
And they can't get him in that day.

659
00:39:00,407 --> 00:39:03,799
And they're like, well, as long as he's eating and drinking, he can make it to Tuesday.

660
00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:05,339
So I had a Tuesday appointment.

661
00:39:05,825 --> 00:39:09,016
And I get there Tuesday and I live downtown in an urban area.

662
00:39:09,016 --> 00:39:11,366
So when I walk him, we just walk around downtown.

663
00:39:11,366 --> 00:39:17,807
I worry more about him running into poop and vomit on the ground than I do anything else.

664
00:39:17,807 --> 00:39:27,209
he, uh, at Lily's house, he apparently went traipsing around the bushes and I get to the,
to the, dogs do.

665
00:39:27,209 --> 00:39:27,789
Yeah.

666
00:39:27,789 --> 00:39:35,086
So I, I get, I get to the vet and the vet, I said, he's doing this and this and, he's
like, well,

667
00:39:35,086 --> 00:39:39,426
Is he by, have you had him in grass areas with fox tails?

668
00:39:39,466 --> 00:39:44,046
I'm like, no, I not lived downtown, but he was at my daughter's house.

669
00:39:44,086 --> 00:39:46,726
And he said, well, he's showing signs, blah, blah, blah.

670
00:39:46,726 --> 00:39:55,266
So fox tails are this, these barbed things that are in tall grass and they can get in
dog's noses and ears and they catch themselves.

671
00:39:55,266 --> 00:39:59,806
Long story short, he was really, he saw a foreign body in his ear.

672
00:39:59,806 --> 00:40:05,086
And so he had to extract this gigantic fox tail that was stuck in Diego's ear.

673
00:40:05,358 --> 00:40:11,178
So if you are a pet owner, stay away from, I don't know why that needed that.

674
00:40:11,178 --> 00:40:23,278
However, if you are a pet owner and you love your animals, be very mindful of, because
literally he had to be under anesthesia.

675
00:40:23,278 --> 00:40:33,678
what would have been like $100 for ear medicine was like $500 procedure, worth every penny
because I pick him up and he was groggy that night, but he's totally fine now.

676
00:40:33,818 --> 00:40:34,811
Crazy though.

677
00:40:34,811 --> 00:40:36,162
Do have pet insurance?

678
00:40:36,162 --> 00:40:37,742
That's a real question.

679
00:40:38,283 --> 00:40:42,824
We don't for Jack, but I mean, every year we're like, why don't we have this?

680
00:40:43,045 --> 00:40:49,998
Because every time it's like in your infection, it's like, he needs this now, he's running
the fever.

681
00:40:49,998 --> 00:40:52,180
And it's like, I'm sure if you did the math, it's cheaper.

682
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:53,472
every year it goes up.

683
00:40:53,472 --> 00:41:00,479
Right now I pay like $400, $400, $40 a month plus for his pet insurance.

684
00:41:00,479 --> 00:41:05,885
And I wouldn't use it in this case because it's more like a major medical kind of thing.

685
00:41:05,885 --> 00:41:09,308
for like, if he had to have, surgeries are ridiculous for pets.

686
00:41:09,328 --> 00:41:11,811
Like they could be in the tens of thousands of dollars.

687
00:41:11,811 --> 00:41:13,493
But anyway, there you are.

688
00:41:13,493 --> 00:41:15,244
Watch out for fox tails.

689
00:41:18,087 --> 00:41:19,419
And Veggie Tales.

690
00:41:19,419 --> 00:41:22,352
public service announcement from Jeffrey Howell.

691
00:41:23,573 --> 00:41:33,702
Okay, so it wouldn't be an episode of Partial Credit without our favorite segment,
America's favorite segment.

692
00:41:34,344 --> 00:41:35,945
And no, it's not South Park.

693
00:41:35,945 --> 00:41:39,448
It's something useless that Donnie Piercy found online.

694
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:43,422
All right, so this one feels like it's a return to glory for me.

695
00:41:43,422 --> 00:41:45,681
um

696
00:41:45,681 --> 00:41:51,705
I just saw the name posted into the the dock and I'm like, OK, I'm here for this.

697
00:41:51,705 --> 00:41:53,426
I don't even know what this is yet.

698
00:41:54,928 --> 00:41:56,439
I just said I don't know what it is.

699
00:41:56,439 --> 00:42:00,111
And as soon as I opened it, I'm like, of course, that's what it was.

700
00:42:00,111 --> 00:42:05,719
again, if you, uh you know, I'm a consumer of all things silly on the internet.

701
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,802
And I found this one.

702
00:42:07,802 --> 00:42:10,346
It's called rotating sandwiches.com.

703
00:42:10,346 --> 00:42:12,509
um

704
00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:14,914
never going to guess what's on this website.

705
00:42:14,914 --> 00:42:16,209
You're never going to guess.

706
00:42:16,209 --> 00:42:20,312
So it's a WordPress site if you want to know, because they didn't change the favicon up
the top.

707
00:42:20,312 --> 00:42:34,445
But if you go to rotatingsandwiches.com um and you go there, and it is literally just a
collection of all, at least there's several hundred on here, of just rotating sandwiches

708
00:42:34,445 --> 00:42:35,945
from half-eaten.

709
00:42:36,286 --> 00:42:36,727
You know what?

710
00:42:36,727 --> 00:42:37,467
Me too.

711
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:39,510
These are actually high-res images.

712
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:41,256
I like they included the ice cream sandwich.

713
00:42:41,256 --> 00:42:43,749
uh Jeff, they also included a hot dog.

714
00:42:44,171 --> 00:42:45,797
a euro down here.

715
00:42:45,797 --> 00:42:47,084
That looks really good.

716
00:42:47,084 --> 00:42:48,081
to be had about this.

717
00:42:48,081 --> 00:42:49,357
m

718
00:42:49,357 --> 00:42:56,677
What is that last thing with the, no what's with the English muffin and the hot dog cut in
half?

719
00:42:56,677 --> 00:42:57,977
What's that, pastrami?

720
00:42:57,977 --> 00:43:11,512
Jeff, there's a full hot dog if you keep going down, but I don't know if we've talked
about it on this podcast, but Jeff and I had actually put together a, it was a little kind

721
00:43:11,512 --> 00:43:15,672
of intro to a session on assessment.

722
00:43:16,433 --> 00:43:20,546
And we posed the question, Jeff, what was the question?

723
00:43:21,134 --> 00:43:22,444
This is a hot dog sandwich.

724
00:43:22,444 --> 00:43:24,175
is a hot dog, sandwich.

725
00:43:24,175 --> 00:43:29,590
And it was some of the fiercest debate I've ever seen happen in a room.

726
00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:40,078
had people who were all quiet and meek throughout the whole training, all of a sudden
yelling at people because they vehemently had an opinion on this hot dog sandwich debate.

727
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:41,495
Donnie, where do you land on this?

728
00:43:41,495 --> 00:43:42,356
It's not a sandwich.

729
00:43:42,356 --> 00:43:42,957
It's a hot dog.

730
00:43:42,957 --> 00:43:44,238
It's his own thing.

731
00:43:45,281 --> 00:43:46,162
That's the answer.

732
00:43:46,162 --> 00:43:47,324
It's a hot dog.

733
00:43:47,324 --> 00:43:50,490
It's like, if anything, it's a sub, but it's

734
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:51,001
a sub?

735
00:43:51,001 --> 00:43:51,494
Yeah.

736
00:43:51,494 --> 00:43:52,758
So is the sub a sandwich?

737
00:43:52,758 --> 00:43:53,978
Is the sub a sandwich?

738
00:43:53,978 --> 00:44:01,043
I'm looking at a website that you just provided us and there's a rotating hot dog on
rotatingsandwiches.com.

739
00:44:01,043 --> 00:44:01,727
So.

740
00:44:01,727 --> 00:44:13,817
website that I found that somebody probably puts together in an hour, there is a contact
email up the top if you really want to send them a question on rotatingsandwiches.com.

741
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:16,992
at gmail.com.

742
00:44:17,474 --> 00:44:22,783
I'm wondering if rotating.sandwiches was taken, so they had to add the .inquiries.

743
00:44:22,801 --> 00:44:28,764
Probably, or maybe they have a whole domain thing, but no, it's a hot dog, it's its own
thing.

744
00:44:31,487 --> 00:44:35,261
Well, I can kick you off the car right now, Jeff, this is real easy, so.

745
00:44:35,261 --> 00:44:38,510
is the criteria for a sandwich?

746
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:41,147
Like how do you decide what is a sandwich and what's not?

747
00:44:41,147 --> 00:44:42,559
Well, listen, know.

748
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,623
So like a meatball sub is it's a sub.

749
00:44:45,864 --> 00:44:48,127
It's a submarine sandwich.

750
00:44:49,009 --> 00:44:51,213
Maybe, but hot dogs its own thing.

751
00:44:51,213 --> 00:44:51,483
No.

752
00:44:51,483 --> 00:44:52,205
this?

753
00:44:52,205 --> 00:44:57,456
How do you assess anything when you don't have criteria for evaluating whether something
is something?

754
00:44:57,456 --> 00:45:01,061
round versus tubular, that's the criteria.

755
00:45:01,091 --> 00:45:02,014
It's just a hot dog.

756
00:45:02,014 --> 00:45:03,287
It's its own thing.

757
00:45:05,453 --> 00:45:08,163
It's not tubular.

758
00:45:08,163 --> 00:45:09,729
Hamburger's a hamburger.

759
00:45:10,256 --> 00:45:11,436
It's not a sandwich.

760
00:45:11,436 --> 00:45:12,670
Not a sandwich.

761
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:14,156
Wow.

762
00:45:14,156 --> 00:45:14,956
under.

763
00:45:14,956 --> 00:45:15,636
OK.

764
00:45:16,136 --> 00:45:19,552
As a former math teacher, I'm going to say this.

765
00:45:20,369 --> 00:45:20,730
When was that?

766
00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:21,552
25 years ago?

767
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:23,114
have to try to remember this.

768
00:45:25,059 --> 00:45:29,746
All squares are parallelograms, but not all parallelograms are squares.

769
00:45:30,669 --> 00:45:31,149
Right.

770
00:45:31,149 --> 00:45:34,555
So couldn't all hamburgers be sandwiches but right?

771
00:45:34,555 --> 00:45:35,073
No.

772
00:45:35,073 --> 00:45:35,893
different logic.

773
00:45:35,893 --> 00:45:37,193
No, this is not math.

774
00:45:37,193 --> 00:45:38,993
This is how it is.

775
00:45:38,993 --> 00:45:40,113
A hot dog is a hot dog.

776
00:45:40,113 --> 00:45:41,513
A hamburger is a hamburger.

777
00:45:42,373 --> 00:45:43,653
Me, I decide.

778
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:44,713
That's how.

779
00:45:45,153 --> 00:45:46,433
What, you think you're better than me?

780
00:45:46,433 --> 00:45:47,955
No, this is what it is.

781
00:45:47,955 --> 00:45:49,082
think you're better than me?

782
00:45:49,082 --> 00:45:53,205
no, to be fair, he's being consistent with his entire life.

783
00:45:54,546 --> 00:46:00,651
Donnie's criteria trumps all criteria and it does not have to be does not have to be
rational.

784
00:46:01,052 --> 00:46:02,252
Exactly.

785
00:46:02,733 --> 00:46:07,236
He left Jeff in the hotel, but he has his own criteria.

786
00:46:07,477 --> 00:46:09,458
It was not a minute, but anyway.

787
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:11,532
has their own criteria.

788
00:46:12,054 --> 00:46:12,886
Criterion.

789
00:46:12,886 --> 00:46:13,730
Yeah, they do.

790
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:18,329
If everyone had their own criteria for everything, then we would never be able to decide.

791
00:46:18,329 --> 00:46:19,831
listen, stop.

792
00:46:19,831 --> 00:46:23,968
Sandwich, you got two pieces of Top on each other.

793
00:46:23,968 --> 00:46:28,395
So you're saying that in order for something to be a sandwich, it has to have two pieces
of bread.

794
00:46:28,395 --> 00:46:33,474
Yeah, but a hot dog can, if you just have the hot dog by itself, it's still a hot dog.

795
00:46:34,076 --> 00:46:34,406
Right?

796
00:46:34,406 --> 00:46:36,915
You can like boil the hot dog if you're holding it, it's still a hot dog.

797
00:46:36,915 --> 00:46:54,015
dog meat, but my hot dog bun was cut in two, like it was like split that little piece of
bread, the bread flap, if that bread flap was broken and it was two halves of the bread,

798
00:46:54,564 --> 00:46:59,098
the hot dog bun, then therefore it would be a sandwich.

799
00:46:59,098 --> 00:47:03,340
Cause that is two separate distinct pieces of bread with the hot dog.

800
00:47:03,555 --> 00:47:04,418
No, that's stupid.

801
00:47:04,418 --> 00:47:05,551
It's still a hot dog.

802
00:47:05,551 --> 00:47:06,092
You can't.

803
00:47:06,092 --> 00:47:06,834
No, you can't do that.

804
00:47:06,834 --> 00:47:07,870
It's just a hot dog.

805
00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:09,596
criteria for a sandwich.

806
00:47:09,596 --> 00:47:11,847
Two pieces of bread and meat.

807
00:47:11,847 --> 00:47:13,361
Why are you arguing with me on this?

808
00:47:13,361 --> 00:47:14,543
This is dumb.

809
00:47:14,662 --> 00:47:18,690
there are people out there who have actually developed criteria for this.

810
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:24,099
If you were to check out the website, cubefood.com, cube rule?

811
00:47:24,343 --> 00:47:25,466
He will not.

812
00:47:25,466 --> 00:47:28,755
He won't because there's some rationality in there.

813
00:47:28,755 --> 00:47:30,278
uh

814
00:47:30,634 --> 00:47:31,409
rule.

815
00:47:31,409 --> 00:47:32,580
You don't even know the website.

816
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:33,946
doesn't count.

817
00:47:33,946 --> 00:47:44,013
It's cuberule.com and it was seen in the New York Times and Washington Post and it won the
Webby Awards as well as something to do with the Maryland courts for fair, efficient and

818
00:47:44,013 --> 00:47:45,134
effective justice for all.

819
00:47:45,134 --> 00:47:46,039
However.

820
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:47,679
a hot dog is a taco.

821
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,840
No tacos, the taco like the kick.

822
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:58,040
cheese, a Reuben, a PB and J, those are traditional classic sandwiches, but the hot dog
was like, I a sandwich?

823
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:14,960
And New York, the state of New York said yes, because in, wait, in the taxpayer guidance
for sales tax purposes, they said under sandwiches, hot dogs and sausages, om buns, rolls,

824
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,160
et cetera, qualified.

825
00:48:18,691 --> 00:48:19,677
It's it's a bread.

826
00:48:19,677 --> 00:48:21,252
It's just a bread.

827
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,780
So Donnie, can I ask you something?

828
00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:26,100
What is a ravioli?

829
00:48:28,156 --> 00:48:29,518
What is a ravioli?

830
00:48:30,761 --> 00:48:32,483
It has to...so...

831
00:48:32,483 --> 00:48:35,040
According to Jeff, he's gonna say, it's actually a burrito.

832
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,132
Is what he's gonna say.

833
00:48:36,132 --> 00:48:36,995
Is that what he's gonna say?

834
00:48:36,995 --> 00:48:38,407
Is that where this is going?

835
00:48:39,772 --> 00:48:40,393
Hmm.

836
00:48:40,393 --> 00:48:42,076
Are you gonna say it's like a gyro?

837
00:48:42,304 --> 00:48:44,611
a pop tart be a kind of ravioli?

838
00:48:45,667 --> 00:48:46,922
No, it's a Pop-Tart.

839
00:48:46,922 --> 00:48:50,106
Like you don't have to have special classifications for everything.

840
00:48:50,106 --> 00:48:51,760
Like it's just a food.

841
00:48:52,274 --> 00:48:56,336
So if you go to cuberule.com, this is our second website.

842
00:48:56,336 --> 00:48:58,847
No, is a bonus website.

843
00:48:58,948 --> 00:49:05,772
And they developed a way to classify food based on the starch location.

844
00:49:05,772 --> 00:49:14,817
So if you would think of each food item as being like cubular, to use Jeff's terminology,
um not tubular.

845
00:49:14,817 --> 00:49:21,250
So like a sandwich has starch on the bottom and the top.

846
00:49:22,181 --> 00:49:24,437
But why do you need to make this stupid classification?

847
00:49:24,437 --> 00:49:29,398
Just sandwich two pieces of white bread, peanut butter jelly.

848
00:49:29,398 --> 00:49:31,650
on the bottom, Jeff, what is it?

849
00:49:33,228 --> 00:49:34,643
It's an open-faced sandwich.

850
00:49:34,643 --> 00:49:35,606
It's toast.

851
00:49:35,606 --> 00:49:36,508
Toast.

852
00:49:36,508 --> 00:49:37,224
It's toast.

853
00:49:37,224 --> 00:49:38,902
toast with something on it?

854
00:49:39,438 --> 00:49:40,528
still toast.

855
00:49:40,528 --> 00:49:41,770
Like avocado toast.

856
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:49,457
If according to our cube, if we have starch on the sides, yes, look at the, you're not
looking at the website.

857
00:49:49,678 --> 00:49:57,947
If there is, I'm going to put this listeners, this will be on the link to this website,
cuberule.com will be on the, the partial credit webpage.

858
00:49:57,947 --> 00:49:59,283
But Donnie, listen to me on the.

859
00:49:59,283 --> 00:49:59,696
thinks?

860
00:49:59,696 --> 00:50:02,137
He thinks this is related to Cubanon.

861
00:50:02,137 --> 00:50:05,142
Why is Jeff getting so close to the camera when he said that?

862
00:50:05,142 --> 00:50:06,816
And why is your face all red?

863
00:50:06,816 --> 00:50:07,518
is.

864
00:50:07,596 --> 00:50:09,361
Hot dog, I told him it's a taco.

865
00:50:09,361 --> 00:50:10,561
It's a taco.

866
00:50:10,755 --> 00:50:11,407
No, it's not.

867
00:50:11,407 --> 00:50:12,610
It's a hot dog.

868
00:50:12,610 --> 00:50:18,753
You don't call like the Nathan's, ah what is it, the hot dog eating contest.

869
00:50:18,753 --> 00:50:20,964
They don't call it the taco eating contest.

870
00:50:20,964 --> 00:50:29,174
eating a traditional taco, but under the starch location rule, it does fall within the
taco guidelines.

871
00:50:29,174 --> 00:50:32,251
listen, I love the internet, but this is the internet, it's absolute worst.

872
00:50:32,251 --> 00:50:34,248
Like this does not need to be said.

873
00:50:34,248 --> 00:50:38,947
So let me give you some examples of toast, things with starch on the bottom, pizza.

874
00:50:39,621 --> 00:50:41,591
That's not toast, it's pizza!

875
00:50:42,062 --> 00:50:43,614
nigiri sushi.

876
00:50:43,614 --> 00:50:47,999
So like where you have the rice and then the fish on top starts on the bottom.

877
00:50:47,999 --> 00:50:48,319
Right.

878
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:49,035
That's a toast.

879
00:50:49,035 --> 00:50:49,606
what that was?

880
00:50:49,606 --> 00:50:50,367
It was sushi.

881
00:50:50,367 --> 00:50:51,336
It's not toast.

882
00:50:51,336 --> 00:50:55,464
Pumpkin pie would be like a bentoast because it would have like a curve.

883
00:50:55,512 --> 00:50:57,489
Does it come in a bento's box?

884
00:50:58,277 --> 00:50:59,281
That was pretty good.

885
00:50:59,281 --> 00:50:59,940
That was all right.

886
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:01,165
That was decent.

887
00:51:01,669 --> 00:51:02,798
I got you, Bento.

888
00:51:02,798 --> 00:51:04,306
Thank you, thank you very much.

889
00:51:04,306 --> 00:51:14,919
So popular examples of tacos would be under this broad starched definition thing, the hot
dog, Donny's sub sandwich.

890
00:51:17,091 --> 00:51:19,536
It's a sub, like a meatball sub.

891
00:51:19,536 --> 00:51:22,286
and a slice of pie, which is like a taco on its side.

892
00:51:22,286 --> 00:51:25,244
If you turn the cube this way, the pie.

893
00:51:25,244 --> 00:51:30,838
website that you are trying to use to argue with me, a piece of pie is a taco.

894
00:51:30,838 --> 00:51:33,123
Just make sure that I'm picking up on that right.

895
00:51:33,123 --> 00:51:34,018
Or toast.

896
00:51:34,018 --> 00:51:35,090
our case.

897
00:51:35,171 --> 00:51:36,695
literally should have stopped.

898
00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:40,539
There was a point at which you should have stopped.

899
00:51:40,539 --> 00:51:43,346
Why is Jeff's face all red when he's leaning that close to the camera?

900
00:51:43,346 --> 00:51:44,218
Have you noticed that?

901
00:51:44,218 --> 00:51:45,640
Look at his face.

902
00:51:45,810 --> 00:51:50,205
Wait, is, Jeff, actually saw something to do with this website.

903
00:51:50,226 --> 00:51:52,328
If there is no starch.

904
00:51:53,873 --> 00:51:54,998
That's pudding.

905
00:51:55,753 --> 00:51:56,635
No.

906
00:51:56,635 --> 00:52:01,325
An example of a salad according to them is a steak.

907
00:52:03,643 --> 00:52:10,458
So one more time, this is the site that you're trying to validate your arguments with me
about.

908
00:52:10,458 --> 00:52:11,973
A turduckian is also a salad.

909
00:52:11,973 --> 00:52:13,327
What I will say, Donnie, is this.

910
00:52:13,327 --> 00:52:17,087
Okay, but what I will say is this.

911
00:52:17,339 --> 00:52:18,414
Three meats.

912
00:52:19,046 --> 00:52:23,200
What's important here is having criteria for assessment.

913
00:52:24,055 --> 00:52:25,272
No, this is a stretch.

914
00:52:25,272 --> 00:52:28,035
is a stupid.

915
00:52:28,166 --> 00:52:30,552
from Jesse Jeff.

916
00:52:34,674 --> 00:52:38,434
So I think that'll do it for another episode of Partial Credit.

917
00:52:38,434 --> 00:52:41,881
Well, wait, what determines when the episode is over?

918
00:52:41,881 --> 00:52:44,115
Where is the, what's the starch look?

919
00:52:44,115 --> 00:52:47,230
it, does it have to do with starch location?

920
00:52:47,311 --> 00:52:52,458
using Donnie's rule of everything, which is I just decide so you can find us.

921
00:52:52,458 --> 00:52:57,036
would agree with me that a piece of pie is not a taco.

922
00:52:57,036 --> 00:52:59,643
No, but you're going with the extreme example.

923
00:52:59,643 --> 00:53:05,653
How is, oh, this is turning into like a political debate on TV is what this is turning
into.

924
00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:06,344
Yeah.

925
00:53:06,344 --> 00:53:08,232
with you, but I have issues with the pie.

926
00:53:08,232 --> 00:53:11,238
I told him he went one starch too far.

927
00:53:11,238 --> 00:53:12,419
That was a bit of a starch.

928
00:53:12,419 --> 00:53:16,902
um

929
00:53:21,318 --> 00:53:25,153
This says a vanilla soy latte is a three bean wet salad.

930
00:53:25,153 --> 00:53:27,304
stop, just stop.

931
00:53:27,405 --> 00:53:30,907
You're not helping our cause in the least.

932
00:53:30,967 --> 00:53:39,066
You are only making a case for the evil despot that will be cutting this episode into
here.

933
00:53:39,066 --> 00:53:40,882
do it for another episode.

934
00:53:41,903 --> 00:53:45,016
You can find us on the socials at partialcredited.

935
00:53:45,016 --> 00:53:50,972
And you can check out our website, partial.credit, to see all of our amazing guests in
previous episodes.

936
00:53:51,194 --> 00:53:53,836
And we can't wait to see you next time.

937
00:53:54,469 --> 00:53:55,634
Thanks guys.

938
00:53:56,504 --> 00:53:57,454
Thanks for listening.

939
00:53:57,454 --> 00:53:58,380
Love you.

940
00:54:05,678 --> 00:54:07,103
Shorts!